Major Alert : We found the Terrorists who took the weapons

[CollectiveInterest]

You Bush supporters are spinning and spinning on this.

Are any of you willing to consider the possibility the Bush/Rumsfeld invasion plan was flawed?

[CollectiveInterest]

You Bush supporters are spinning and spinning on this.

Are any of you willing to consider the possibility the Bush/Rumsfeld invasion plan was flawed?

First rule of war. "Military plans become obsolete on the first contact with the enemy."

You evade the question.

Should this facility have been secured?  yes/no

Did the plan call for it to be secured? yes/no

[CollectiveInterest]

OK before the invasion there was a tyrant in power, after the invasion..no tyrant.  Before the invasion there were thousands of tons of munitions available for the bad guys..after...99.9% of those munitions are accounted for.

Before the invasion, Kerry had no record.  After the invasion...Kerry still has no record.  Go figure.

What's your definition of a tyrant? Why doesn't Allawi qualify as a tyrant?

What "bad guys" are you talking about?

What's your reference that 99.9% of munitions were accounted for?

[CollectiveInterest]

We have found 400,000 tons of munitions in Iraq.  The Times report talks about 380 tons. Hmmmm that's a damn good job by ANY stretch of the imagination.  And it appears that even most of the 380 tons have been explained but waiting on more information.

I would sat WELL DONE U.S. military!!!!!!  Kick that ass.

Do you know that this is the only 380 tons where Rumsfeld's plan was flawed?

[CollectiveInterest]

We have found 400,000 tons of munitions in Iraq.  The Times report talks about 380 tons. Hmmmm that's a damn good job by ANY stretch of the imagination.  And it appears that even most of the 380 tons have been explained but waiting on more information.

I would sat WELL DONE U.S. military!!!!!!  Kick that ass.

I heard a piece of the news conference during lunch.  The number 700,000 tons was mentioned by the Pentagon

Should the facility have been secured?

Was it?

Why not?

[CollectiveInterest]

Obviously you missed the press conference this morning.

The one where the Bush political appointee was lying again?

[CollectiveInterest]

So by your question regarding Allawi, you seem to intimate that Iraq would have been better with Saddam still in power.  Great logic.  Kerry soundbite.

You avoided my question.

Where did I say Iraq would be better with Saddam Hussein in power?

[CollectiveInterest]

Obviously you missed the press conference this morning.

The one where the Bush political appointee was lying again?

Your an idiot and a troll....I've now come to that conclusion. Screw off Michael Moore Jr.

Typical Bush supporter. When the facts don't support your position you start namecalling.

Bush supporters are a threat to democracy if you value discussing the facts and policy and developing a rational plan for moving forward.

[CollectiveInterest]

Obviously you missed the press conference this morning.

The one where the Bush political appointee was lying again?

Your an idiot and a troll....I've now come to that conclusion. Screw off Michael Moore Jr.

Typical Bush supporter. When the facts don't support your position you start namecalling.

Bush supporters are a threat to democracy if you value discussing the facts and policy and developing a rational plan for moving forward.

Your lucky I'm not president. You'd be interned for sedition and treason.

Bush supporters have no respect for the freedom eschrined in the Bill of Rights.

When faced with facts and logic that refute their political ideology they want to use the power of the state to silence dissent.

Ya'll are as bad as the most dogmatic Communists on this point.

[CollectiveInterest]

Should the facility of been secured?

Why wasn't it?

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/10042037.htm

The more than 320 tons of missing Iraqi high explosives at center stage in the U.S. presidential election are only a fraction of the weapons-related material that's disappeared in Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion last year....

In a new disclosure, the senior U.S. military officer and another U.S. official, who also spoke on condition he not be identified because of the sensitivity of the matter, said that an Iraqi working for U.S. intelligence alerted U.S. troops stationed near the al Qaqaa weapons facility that the installation was being looted shortly after the fall of Baghdad on April 9, 2003.

But, they said, the troops took no apparent action to halt the pillaging.

"That was one of numerous times when Iraqis warned us that ammo dumps and other places were being looted and we weren't able to respond because we didn't have anyone to send," said a senior U.S. military officer who served in Iraq.

[CollectiveInterest]

Now the question is, is it a good idea to get rid of a guy, who has invaded neighboring countries, used WMD's, plotted to assassinate a former US President, has about a ton of explosives per US Army soldier and did have a record of sheltering terrorists?  My vote is yes.

By what measure are we better off?

The US military is tied down in Iraq which means it can't be used in other places.

We're spending billions.

Out soldiers are being targeted.

We're more hated than we were before which has increased al Qaeda's support.

We've lost control of weapons that we knew where they were. They weren't being used against us. Now they are.

By what standard are we better off for having invaded Iraq?

[CollectiveInterest]

Thats the way the government ought to be run. Freedom has limits.

Explain what powers gov't "ought" to have.

What should the limits on freedom be?

[CollectiveInterest]

Collective,  I said you "intimated".  Look it up.  Do you agree that the world is a better place without Saddam in power.  Don't give me that crap that I changed the subject or didn't answer your question.

Our troops did the job with which they were tasked.  Hearing you one would think that it was only 380 tons that we had found and destroyed and that it was 400,000 to 700,000 tons spirited away. 

shank,

The Rumsfeld plan lost control of lots, this is just one example.

[CollectiveInterest]

The United States is unquestionably worse off now than when SH was president of Iraq.

The instability created has made the entire region more volatile.

[CollectiveInterest]

So Collective, if Saddam is acquitted in his trial, should we put him back in power and maybe even apologize to him?

We've already put the new Saddam Hussein in power.

[CollectiveInterest]

ATTENTION!!!!!!!  Feckless Crapweasel Alert!!!!!!!  Collective thinks that Allawi is the New Saddam.  What intellectual depth.  Has Allawi killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis?  Has Allawi invaded a neighboring country?  Has Allawi lobbed SCUD missile at Israel?  Has Allawi killed his own people with deadly chemicals?  Has Allawi allowed his sons to commit mass murder.

Earth to Collective....Earth to Collective.

you once had a shred of believability.....GONE

According to a recent estimate the US occupation has killed 1/3 the civilians SH's gov't killed. SH took 24 years. the occupation took 18 months.

Allawi hasn't had 24 years to do everything SH has done.