If the Adam and Eve story is literal, wouldn't the world be horribly inbred?

[Devilman88]

I'll take the Adam and Eve story over the evolution story any day.

[Devilman88]

I'll take the Adam and Eve story over the evolution story any day.

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     I don't think I've ever seen anyone with such a libertarian PM score profess to Creationist views before.

Evolution doesn't add up to me. How can a single cell organism over billions of years grow into a human? If it did happen then why did the humans stop evolving? Where is the missing link? Where did the single cell organism come from? Where did atoms come from?

[Devilman88]

I'll take the Adam and Eve story over the evolution story any day.

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     I don't think I've ever seen anyone with such a libertarian PM score profess to Creationist views before.

Evolution doesn't add up to me. How can a single cell organism over billions of years grow into a human? If it did happen then why did the humans stop evolving? Where is the missing link? Where did the single cell organism come from? Where did atoms come from?

This is like the ultimate facepalm post.

Why?

[Devilman88]

There's so much extreme ignorance in it it's tough to know where to begin on debunking (Well OK, the bit about humans stopping evolving is the most obvious.)

We are still evolving?

[Devilman88]

There's so much extreme ignorance in it it's tough to know where to begin on debunking (Well OK, the bit about humans stopping evolving is the most obvious.)

We are still evolving?

Yes. Evolution happens over the period of millions of years, not at a rate observable among generations, or even modern historical periods.

So how do you know we are still evolving if you can't see it? You just have faith that we are?

[Devilman88]

Evolution doesn't add up to me.

I'll try to explain it some more for you, and hopefully not be too much of a jackass in the process.

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The rough timeline is this:

1. A single celled organism comes to be. (see link below on this)
2. It survives initial conditions and reproduces. (asexually, like most single celled organisms do even today) Its offspring also reproduces. Sometimes mutations occur, which brings about new traits. Simple proteins are plentiful for consumption, so there is not much competition.
3. Conditions change. Simple proteins are not as widely available, so food is not plentiful. Some cells mutate to capture energy from sunlight, while others have mutated to consume other cells.
4. Some cells of either type mutate to live in colonies. (bacteria and algae still do this today) These colonies are not multi-celled organisms, but instead are just clusters of single-celled organisms of the same species working together. This may be what lead to mutations which allowed single cells to become multi-cellular organisms. (perhaps not, it may have been a seperate mutation that simply allowed a single organism to be bigger without being forced to split in two - being bigger makes you harder to eat, so that's a definite advantage)
5. Conditions continue to change, organisms continue to mutate, compete and become more complex.

Once you have multi-celled organisms, it becomes more understandable as to how you get stuff like worms, basic fish, then other stuff further on. The biggest evolutionary leap is going from one cell to multiple cells, at least in my opinion. Without that further complexity isn't really possible.

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The answer is simple - we haven't. Humans today still are occassionally born with mutations, some of which may be beneficial, detrimental, or even having no noticeable effect. They may or may not manage to breed and pass on these mutations.

For instance, we now believe that the gene for blue eyes was a mutation that occured only six to ten thousand years ago. That sounds like a long time, but in the evolutionary timeline that's perhaps a blink of an eye. Only one person originally had it, so how could it be in so many people now? Simple - the feature was likely considered attractive (it is even today to many) and it helped that person mate, and their children to mate, and so on and so forth.

Another more recent example of human evolution would be the Native American population. The current population at large is more resistant to certain diseases than their recent ancestors. Why? Because when the Europeans came, they brought said diseases with them. Those diseases killed off the portions of the population that had little to no resistance, while sparing those that did. The same thing happened to the Europeans when the Black Death rolled into town. Those who didn't die largely survived because they had greater resistance, which they passed onto their children. The disease that caused the Black Death still exists, but it doesn't cause the deaths of 30-60% of the population anymore since those alive today have the genes that allowed their ancestors to survive.

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Dead, most likely. Where's the fossil? We've found a few along the way, though we don't necessarily have a complete picture. We largely have to rely on the fossil record, and fossils are rare to begin with.

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That'll take some explaining which I don't have much time for. Read this if you're interested:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

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We believe that atoms formed very shortly after the big bang. What does science have to say about what happened before the big bang? Not much really - true science only tries to draw conclusions from what can be observed. Since we can't really observe much, if anything, of the universe prior to the big bang (if it was even there) we can't draw conclusions scientifically. If you want to view things scientifically, you have to be comfortable with admitting your ignorance, with saying "I don't know".

Thank you for trying to explain it to me. I can see how it could have happen, but to me there is to many gaps in both evolution and creationism. I believe that the true answer is a mix of both of them. But like I said before I really don't care how we came about.

[Devilman88]

Question for those who doubt evolution:

How do explain the need to get a different flu shot each year? Or the design of new drugs once bacteria and viruses grow resistant to the old ones?

To answer that question, the human body adapts to things, just like every living thing. That is how we are made.

[Devilman88]

Question for those who doubt evolution:

How do explain the need to get a different flu shot each year? Or the design of new drugs once bacteria and viruses grow resistant to the old ones?

To answer that question, the human body adapts to things, just like every living thing. That is how we are made.

The issue has nothing to do with the human body. In fact if anything that would further provide evidence for evolution as one would in theory at some point quit getting sick as they would in time have developed an immunity to all common sicknesses.

Like I said, it adapts to it.

[Devilman88]

Question for those who doubt evolution:

How do explain the need to get a different flu shot each year? Or the design of new drugs once bacteria and viruses grow resistant to the old ones?

To answer that question, the human body adapts to things, just like every living thing. That is how we are made.

The issue has nothing to do with the human body. In fact if anything that would further provide evidence for evolution as one would in theory at some point quit getting sick as they would in time have developed an immunity to all common sicknesses.

Like I said, it adapts to it.

No, the body doesn't adapt to ALLOW more viruses and bacteria the chance to attack it easier.

Based on your argument once someone caught flu once, they could never catch it again for the rest of their life.

No the viruses adapt to the drugs we use, just like our body adapts to the drugs we use.

[Devilman88]

He's giving a fair hearing to the arguments being presented, even if he's skeptical.  He may have never been to a school where evolution was explained in anything but strawman terms...I don't think there's a need to call him stupid for not knowing it correctly.

That is true, my high school teacher didn't teach it because she didn't believe in it and in college I didn't take any classes that taught it. So all that I know of it is what I have read and heard about it.

[Devilman88]

I'll take the Adam and Eve story over the evolution story any day.

Congratulations, you're an idiot. Seriously, what makes the Adam and Eve story credible? The part where god rips out Adam's rib and grows Eve from it?

So people who don't agree with you are idiots? Way to be an open minded liberal! That really pisses me off, the liberals say they are so open minded but as soon as someone believe different then they do then they call them idiots and crap like that. On the other hand alot of true conservatives don't give a crap what you believe or how you live and are called bigots.

[Devilman88]

I'll take the Adam and Eve story over the evolution story any day.

Congratulations, you're an idiot. Seriously, what makes the Adam and Eve story credible? The part where god rips out Adam's rib and grows Eve from it?

So people who don't agree with you are idiots? Way to be an open minded liberal! That really pisses me off, the liberals say they are so open minded but as soon as someone believe different then they do then they call them idiots and crap like that. On the other hand alot of true conservatives don't give a crap what you believe or how you live and are called bigots.

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Let us pretend someone believes the world is 6000 years old or they think the world is flat. I am going to consider them an idiot. Your belief is along the exact same lines. Do you understand?

No I don't, because as far as I know, we weren't around back then so we really don't know what happen. You can call me an idiot for thinking that the bible is true all you want, but that doesn't make you right. It just makes you a bigot.

[Devilman88]

I'll take the Adam and Eve story over the evolution story any day.

Congratulations, you're an idiot. Seriously, what makes the Adam and Eve story credible? The part where god rips out Adam's rib and grows Eve from it?

So people who don't agree with you are idiots? Way to be an open minded liberal! That really pisses me off, the liberals say they are so open minded but as soon as someone believe different then they do then they call them idiots and crap like that. On the other hand alot of true conservatives don't give a crap what you believe or how you live and are called bigots.

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Let us pretend someone believes the world is 6000 years old or they think the world is flat. I am going to consider them an idiot. Your belief is along the exact same lines. Do you understand?

No I don't, because as far as I know, we weren't around back then so we really don't know what happen. You can call me an idiot for thinking that the bible is true all you want, but that doesn't make you right. It just makes you a bigot.

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I'm not calling you an idiot based on your faith. Rather, I'm calling you an idiot because of your ignorance and your rejection of evidence. We have fossil records that date back millions of years. We have empirical evidence of bacteria evolving. They become immune to previous drugs and we have to alter our drugs to kill them. That is evolution at work. Evolution is of course not a perfect theory by any stretch of the imagination but when you claim "I'll take the Adam and Eve story over the evolution story any day" you are rejecting science. Do you believe in gravity? Do you think our planet is 6000 years old? I don't mind if you have faith in god but when you reject basic science like this, I consider you an idiot. Period. Quite frankly, I don't give a damn if you consider me a bigot or an elitist or whatever. I'm just being brutally honest. Do you understand?

Until they find the missing link that they have been looking for I'm not going to believe in evolution they are teaching. Do I think the Earth is 6,000 years old? No, but I do believe that the written document of man is only 6,000 years old(when man started to write down history). Do I believe that there were humans that lived over 6,000 years ago, most likely. What I believe is God made everything a long time ago, when? I don't know, but God made Adam and Eve and from there to now I believe that humans changed into what we are today.

[Devilman88]

I'll take the Adam and Eve story over the evolution story any day.

Congratulations, you're an idiot. Seriously, what makes the Adam and Eve story credible? The part where god rips out Adam's rib and grows Eve from it?

So people who don't agree with you are idiots? Way to be an open minded liberal! That really pisses me off, the liberals say they are so open minded but as soon as someone believe different then they do then they call them idiots and crap like that. On the other hand alot of true conservatives don't give a crap what you believe or how you live and are called bigots.

*a lot

Let us pretend someone believes the world is 6000 years old or they think the world is flat. I am going to consider them an idiot. Your belief is along the exact same lines. Do you understand?

No I don't, because as far as I know, we weren't around back then so we really don't know what happen. You can call me an idiot for thinking that the bible is true all you want, but that doesn't make you right. It just makes you a bigot.

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I'm not calling you an idiot based on your faith. Rather, I'm calling you an idiot because of your ignorance and your rejection of evidence. We have fossil records that date back millions of years. We have empirical evidence of bacteria evolving. They become immune to previous drugs and we have to alter our drugs to kill them. That is evolution at work. Evolution is of course not a perfect theory by any stretch of the imagination but when you claim "I'll take the Adam and Eve story over the evolution story any day" you are rejecting science. Do you believe in gravity? Do you think our planet is 6000 years old? I don't mind if you have faith in god but when you reject basic science like this, I consider you an idiot. Period. Quite frankly, I don't give a damn if you consider me a bigot or an elitist or whatever. I'm just being brutally honest. Do you understand?

Jee, you're really helping us make him understand, aren't you?  I'll bet he's feeling way sympathetic towards evolution, now

Don't worry, unlike him, I am willing to open minded about things I don't know or understand. I am able to be sympathetic toward evolution and creationism. Unlike him I don't go around calling people names that don't believe the same thing I do. Because when it comes down to it they both are theories, not 100% facts. Like I have said before I believe it is a mixture of both. But if you made me pick one over the other, I would go with creationism, because I believe that God has the power to do anything he wants.

[Devilman88]

I'll take the Adam and Eve story over the evolution story any day.

Congratulations, you're an idiot. Seriously, what makes the Adam and Eve story credible? The part where god rips out Adam's rib and grows Eve from it?

So people who don't agree with you are idiots? Way to be an open minded liberal! That really pisses me off, the liberals say they are so open minded but as soon as someone believe different then they do then they call them idiots and crap like that. On the other hand alot of true conservatives don't give a crap what you believe or how you live and are called bigots.

*a lot

Let us pretend someone believes the world is 6000 years old or they think the world is flat. I am going to consider them an idiot. Your belief is along the exact same lines. Do you understand?

No I don't, because as far as I know, we weren't around back then so we really don't know what happen. You can call me an idiot for thinking that the bible is true all you want, but that doesn't make you right. It just makes you a bigot.

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I'm not calling you an idiot based on your faith. Rather, I'm calling you an idiot because of your ignorance and your rejection of evidence. We have fossil records that date back millions of years. We have empirical evidence of bacteria evolving. They become immune to previous drugs and we have to alter our drugs to kill them. That is evolution at work. Evolution is of course not a perfect theory by any stretch of the imagination but when you claim "I'll take the Adam and Eve story over the evolution story any day" you are rejecting science. Do you believe in gravity? Do you think our planet is 6000 years old? I don't mind if you have faith in god but when you reject basic science like this, I consider you an idiot. Period. Quite frankly, I don't give a damn if you consider me a bigot or an elitist or whatever. I'm just being brutally honest. Do you understand?

Jee, you're really helping us make him understand, aren't you?  I'll bet he's feeling way sympathetic towards evolution, now

Don't worry, unlike him, I am willing to open minded about things I don't know or understand. I am able to be sympathetic toward evolution and creationism. Unlike him I don't go around calling people names that don't believe the same thing I do. Because when it comes down to it they both are theories, not 100% facts. Like I have said before I believe it is a mixture of both. But if you made me pick one over the other, I would go with creationism, because I believe that God has the power to do anything he wants.

Oh, I agree with you on the last sentence, but I think the greatest gift God has given to us is stepping back and not exercising that power, at least not arbitrarily at random times.  God created the universe knowing the powers of reason he would be giving us; it just doesn't make sense to us that He'd go "Haha!  I shall mislead all the scientists!"and then stick some fossils in the soil and create some tantalizing mechanisms that seem just perfectly to support the idea of evolution

He could have to test people, like the Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden. Also in the Bible it does say before the Great Flood that people did in fact mate with beast, and maybe just maybe that is how we got the bones of beings that look like ape people. (I said ape people because I don't know the true know of what you call them)

[Devilman88]

I'm not saying that is what happen or anything like that, I'm just pointing out that we don't really don't because none of us were alive back then.