FBI search warrant executed at Mar-a-Lago (Update: Trump Indicted!)

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It's fascinating how no Republicans here or out there in the media are claiming Trump's innocence, just that the raid was inappropriate anyway. None of them have any pretext of pretending anymore, just a full-on hero worship cult.

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The big question is: How does Ron DeSantis play this?

He has to either defund Trump wholeheartedly and cede the 2024 nomination to him, or take the plunge and try to take the party away.

I think we all know he lacks the courage for the latter.

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Ron DeSantis must be privately celebrating right now.

If he can thread the needle on this and end Trump's 2024 prospects without getting the blood on his hands, he's a much better and scarier politician than I realize.

But yes, this is his opening for 2024 if he dares.

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A Search Warrant is not an Arrest Warrant and an Arrest Warrant is not a Conviction

Good Republican! Here's a cookie!

Raspberry or Chocolate Chip

wtf is a "raspberry cookie" ?

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A Search Warrant is not an Arrest Warrant and an Arrest Warrant is not a Conviction

Good Republican! Here's a cookie!

Raspberry or Chocolate Chip

wtf is a "raspberry cookie" ?

https://lifestyleofafoodie.com/crumbl-raspberry-cheesecake-cookies/

I actually like Crumbl, but I think I would pass on that one

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If this is not related to the January 6th investigation then yes this is bad . Otherwise this opens up other presidents for prosecution given pretty much every president probably could be convicted under abuse of power statues and they would every time the other side takes the White House .

Jan 6th was the exception because of how bad it is , but this does not come to meeting that level. Otherwise abuse of power charges could pretty much lead to the prosecution of Bush , Obama and maybe even Clinton as well

If Trump stashed national security secrets in his home safe and hasn't complied with surrendering them resulting in the FBI bring involved, should be just be allowed to get away with it?

Of course not. And the same goes for Bush, Obama, and maybe even Clinton. Lock them all up if warranted.

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Even Larry Hogan tweeted this :

https://twitter.com/GovLarryHogan/status/1557071758447951878

But he's supposed to be a moderate, right?

He absolutely is a moderate

Words like that are always relative.

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Wait, I thought the judge was a conservative appointed by Trump? Which is it?

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But but I read on TalkElections that all the feds had to do was ask Trump for the documents and he would have gladly given them back! There was no need for the raid!!!1

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No they just think both sides don’t care about it and believe me I know many Trump supporters and that is what they believe .

OSR, all these people you know believe that every Democrat is corrupt and thus they can end democracy with clean consciences because they've been lied to by Fox and Republican media for years if not decades. A lot of supporters of evil causes throughout history have genuinely bought into lies. Your buddies are less culpable than the Republican corporate-political-media cartel, sure. Brainwashed ISIS fighters are a tier less culpable than the leaders and the hate preachers. Still evil.

Being a rube doesn't make a person immune to accusations of low character. Believing in bullsh**t isn't a get out of jail free card for being called a poisonous traitor to democracy.

They don’t watch cable news though

Facebook is primarily responsible for the radicalization and stupidification of the Right over the last 10-15. FoxNews is just following what the people want (see January 2021 for an example - they started to abandon Trump until they understood how against that their audience was)

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What I don't understand is what exactly did Trump expect to do with these documents.

Either he was going to sell them, or he was just going to show them to visitors like "look how cool and powerful I am I even have these nuclear documents!!"

Both are bad, with the former being an order of magnitude worse.

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So on face value if this was true, the FBI just allowed nuclear documents to sit in the Mar a Lago for 18 months..

Or no one noticed they were gone.

Ah yes, the REAL CRIMINALS are the people who didn't divine that the crime would happen and stop it ahead of time, not the perps themselves.

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So on face value if this was true, the FBI just allowed nuclear documents to sit in the Mar a Lago for 18 months..

Or no one noticed they were gone.

Do you ever get tired of working as a Trump spin doctor for free? Garland literally just said today that they had exhausted every other option to get the documents back before finally seeking a warrant.

Ah, so you just let nuclear secrets just remain in a basement of a property.. periodically requesting for someone to return them for over a year.

"Why are you mad at me for robbing that bank? Get mad at the police for letting me do it for a few minutes before they got there!"

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Same poster, 7 minutes apart.

Garland moving to unseal the search warrant is bonaheaded stupid.

Do you support unsealing the warrant as that’s the only way we will know

I support it.

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https://usrimg-850.fark.net/n/np/fark_np_n8OzA6X7_y8wdzZug5XBFuGM.png

My guess is even if Trump gets convicted he would not be put in the regular prison system . The DOJ probably would use an abandoned military base or even a property of his and then just fence it off .

Maybe to assuage Trump's ego, we can give him the Napoleon treatment and just make him Emperor of Niihau. He got 100% of the vote there, so he could be surrounded by fans for the rest of his life.

You realize he starts 2024 with the Republican Nomination, and a minimum of 74 million voters and 235 electoral votes, right?

That's a pretty poor reflection on those 74 million.

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We're sure that he was aware of them in light of the NYT's report just now:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/13/us/politics/trump-classified-material-fbi.html

In the spring, the Justice Department issued a subpoena to Mr. Trump seeking further documents believed to be in his possession. He was repeatedly urged by advisers to return what remained, despite what they described as his desire to continue to hold onto some documents.

Incidentally, such being the case helps neuter DT's point from a few days ago about how the warrant was apparently unnecessary overkill on account of the "cooperation."

Perhaps he took them by accident and, realizing what he’d done, tried to pretend they didn’t exist. It’s not that I think Trump isn’t stupid enough to purposely make off with nuclear documents (he absolutely is), but this isn’t something I imagine him doing without some clear incentive or financial gain. What is to be gained from having these documents?

My optimistic guess is that he wanted to be able to show them to guests at Maralago to impress them and make them think he's cool.

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EDIT: did he delete his post? lol

Must have been modded, since my response (which was not inflammatory) is gone too.

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I mean I actually think it would be reckless for DOJ not to consider the political consequences of such a decision. Going after a former president is inherently political no matter what anyone says and that's why it should not happen other than the most serious of circumstances.

I do not agree with your belief that the President should be above the law except under extreme circumstances.

The real world isn’t a high school civics class and the fact is it also would result in many many other members of previous administrations being potentially prosecuted given that technically our foreign policy since 1945 probably has resulted in laws being broken by multiple administrators.

Like I said I don’t think Eisenhower or Nixon should have been prosecuted for Their use of the CIA , LBJ for Gulf of Tonkin lie , Reagan/Bush for Iran Contra , W for Guantanamo Bay , Obama for how he used drones etc .

I for one am hoping for a "real world" that is still subject to the rule of law though.

Like I said Trump having nuclear documents is a different story than if they were other ones .

Well then what's the point you're even arguing? You are in agreement with almost everyone here, except some of the Republicans you like to defend tirelessly.

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I mean I actually think it would be reckless for DOJ not to consider the political consequences of such a decision. Going after a former president is inherently political no matter what anyone says and that's why it should not happen other than the most serious of circumstances.

I do not agree with your belief that the President should be above the law except under extreme circumstances.

The real world isn’t a high school civics class and the fact is it also would result in many many other members of previous administrations being potentially prosecuted given that technically our foreign policy since 1945 probably has resulted in laws being broken by multiple administrators.

Like I said I don’t think Eisenhower or Nixon should have been prosecuted for Their use of the CIA , LBJ for Gulf of Tonkin lie , Reagan/Bush for Iran Contra , W for Guantanamo Bay , Obama for how he used drones etc .

I for one am hoping for a "real world" that is still subject to the rule of law though.

Like I said Trump having nuclear documents is a different story than if they were other ones .

Well then what's the point you're even arguing? You are in agreement with almost everyone here, except some of the Republicans you like to defend tirelessly.

We atlas conservatives may have disagreements and some time strong ones but we stand by each other when they are being harshly attacked and nobody else is coming to their defense.

That's so bizarre and cultish. You are not an election denier or totally out of touch with reality, but you "defend" Trump fanatics who are (people who don't have much in common with you, and utterly nothing on this issue) all because Republicans = good and Democrats = bad and that outweighs everything else.

When I find myself agreeing more with Republicans than Democrats, I just state my opinion and move on. I don't stick around and take up for people I disagree with just for tribalism. We're all adults here and can take care of ourselves. Likewise, I wouldnt expect a Democrat who opposes the FBI action to come here and try to "defend" me either.

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I mean I actually think it would be reckless for DOJ not to consider the political consequences of such a decision. Going after a former president is inherently political no matter what anyone says and that's why it should not happen other than the most serious of circumstances.

I do not agree with your belief that the President should be above the law except under extreme circumstances.

The real world isn’t a high school civics class and the fact is it also would result in many many other members of previous administrations being potentially prosecuted given that technically our foreign policy since 1945 probably has resulted in laws being broken by multiple administrators.

Like I said I don’t think Eisenhower or Nixon should have been prosecuted for Their use of the CIA , LBJ for Gulf of Tonkin lie , Reagan/Bush for Iran Contra , W for Guantanamo Bay , Obama for how he used drones etc .

I for one am hoping for a "real world" that is still subject to the rule of law though.

Like I said Trump having nuclear documents is a different story than if they were other ones .

Well then what's the point you're even arguing? You are in agreement with almost everyone here, except some of the Republicans you like to defend tirelessly.

We atlas conservatives may have disagreements and some time strong ones but we stand by each other when they are being harshly attacked and nobody else is coming to their defense.

That's so bizarre and cultish. You are not an election denier or totally out of touch with reality, but you "defend" Trump fanatics who are (people who don't have much in common with you, and utterly nothing on this issue) all because Republicans = good and Democrats = bad and that outweighs everything else.

When I find myself agreeing more with Republicans than Democrats, I just state my opinion and move on. I don't stick around and take up for people I disagree with just for tribalism. We're all adults here and can take care of ourselves. Likewise, I would expect a Democrat who opposes the FBI action to come here and try to "defend" me either.

Did I say Fuzzy was right on this issue, no I did not. I just pointed out how his views are being misrepresented and not being debated honestly.

No, I thought I was pretty clear in my point that you think Fuzzy is way wrong on this issue and many others that are important to him, but feel the compulsion to take up for him anyway despite that simply because you vote the same way (and ironically you actually don't in presidential elections). He doesn't need to be hero worshipped or infantilized. It's just strange and borderline creepy.

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Don't forget the possibility that large swathes of Trump fans have given up voting altogether, disheartened by the false belief that every election is rigged anyway.

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As usual, Legal Eagle gives a good summary of the situation.