Catholic bishops this week will discuss if Biden qualifies for Communion.

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LOL, his own priest will correctly continue giving it to him regardless of what these out-of-touch, grandstanding attention whore bozos "decide"

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Catholicism is a joke

Most of it is fine, it just needs a purge of much of its leadership, the far right bigots, homophobes, and pedophilia enablers and the like.

Francis is working on it, but it's going to be a multi-Pope process for sure.

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Catholicism is a joke

Most of it is fine, it just needs a purge of much of its leadership, the far right bigots, homophobes, and pedophilia enablers and the like.

Francis is working on it, but it's going to be a multi-Pope process for sure.

Isn’t the word of God supposed to be absolute. Funny how these religions keep on changing their values in a way that conveniently makes them more appealing to modern society…

Yeah, but that's good, right? When you realize you're wrong, you have to get it right.

No more Crusades, no more haciendas, no more slavery, pedophilia is being addressed, and soon enough no more homophobia, at least officially from the Church.

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I know this has been litigated on this forum many times, but it really does seem like a decision of this nature would go down more easily if they at least broadened the list of reasons for being denied to include items like cruel anti-refugee policies, etc. Letting Bill Barr or Greg Abbott receive communion, in spite of their ordering of execution/general immoral acts in office, while denying Biden is such an absurdly bad look. I would have thought that even these out-of-touch bishops would recognize it, but I'm clearly wrong.

One problem is that Catholic culture generally frowns upon telling priests and bishops that they're wrong. So these delusional creeps might honestly have no idea how out of the mainstream they are.

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Decent Catholics should stage a walkout during Communion on Sunday and show these sicko loser bishops how out of line they are.

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Decent Catholics should stage a walkout during Communion on Sunday and show these sicko loser bishops how out of line they are.

Please stop telling other people how to practice their religion.

Um, is there anyone on the whole forum better established to be Catholic than me?

ETA: ok, Nathan. But I'm #2 surely.

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https://twitter.com/axios/status/1405962013696724993

Forgive them, for they now not what they have done.

The Catholic Church in America will never recover from this civil war these sickos started.

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https://twitter.com/Kerry_McGuire/status/1405999604760399872?s=19

It's heartbreaking that it's come to this, but she's on to something.

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4. An eighty-year-old Irish Catholic from Scranton is not going to become an Episcopalian over a political attack from the bishops' conference that his own bishop has repeatedly stated he doesn't intend to join. Give me a break.

Sure, but that Tweet was talking about what Biden should do if he's formally excommunicated by the Church as a whole, not how he should react to this particular vote from this set of out-of-touch bigotperv fascist "bishops" who want to exploit people's religious views to inflict their anti-Christian far right political agenda on America.

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All of my Catholic friends are pro-choice and LGBTQ rights. Are they going to be denied communion too?

This is why irreligion is growing so fast in America. Churches have become too political and people don't want politics in EVERY sector of their lives.

Yeah, these "bishops" have either misread the feelings of Catholics or they just don't care. All these articles quote them as saying all their parishioners demand that Biden be denied, but considering how actually Biden won the Catholic vote, it's clear that they aren't hearing representative opinions. They are just totally out of touch with reality (or lying).

Regardless, if they actually manage to pass a rule like this, they're throwing out the majority of Catholics in America and forever diminishing the relevance of the Church. We're on the edge of a watershed moment.

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I don't see the issue with Bishops being Catholic and following Catholic doctrine.

Because The Bishop's enforcement and definition of so-called Catholic Doctrine is selective as hell.

I mean, IIRC abortion is seen as considerably worse than what Republicans are doing.  There's also the issue that the Catholic Church used to support the death penalty, but never supported abortion.

Unfortunately that's simply empirically incorrect. I can tell you both first-hand following the church's progression both when I was Catholic and has a formula that the church has always always always always whispered its opposition towards miserly anti-christian government policy set screw the poor and contract efforts of social justice of peace, while bellowing from megaphone conservative partisan issues like abortion, gay marriage, and euthanasia. If they were truly even handed or even close to it such subjects, I could respect the church a heck of a lot more at night I can I can well, no, four Bears theological issues still wouldn't - - be a member of the church. But they really have been absolutely happy with this double standard which is according to the preachings of Jesus himself, theologically unsound as hell for the last 40 years. Frankly, when we use the church's doctrinal history goes back Centuries with only brief periods of Reform. But that's another subject.

Also, more fundamentally when one looks at the current makeup of regular churchgoers and its primary donors, if the American Bishops or anywhere near as even-handed in their condemnation of policies that defy Jesus's teachings about the poor and the outcast situations like a portion of homosexuality, the pews on Sunday and, even more importantly, American churches bank accounts, would be markedly diminished.

But if the Catholic Church is right about abortion, then it's the most evil thing happening in America today.  How could anything else come close to it?

Considering how the abortion rate very noticeably decreased under Clinton and Obama, unlike Trump and the Bushes, someone who believes that really needs to be voting for Democratic presidents.

It is a near certainty that there will be fewer abortions in America between 2021 and 2024 than there would have been had Trump been reelected.

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Considering how the abortion rate very noticeably decreased under Clinton and Obama, unlike Trump and the Bushes, someone who believes that really needs to be voting for Democratic presidents.

It is a near certainty that there will be fewer abortions in America between 2021 and 2024 than there would have been had Trump been reelected.

Maybe because Republicans took control of a lot of state legislatures and passed abortion restrictions?

LOL. It's OK to admit that Democrats have done something good.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_United_States#CDC_surveillance_reports


Anyone who votes Republican because they want to end abortion is a total dupe.

(Note: there are other charts on that page from other organizations with the same general shape if you don't believe this one.)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_United_States#CDC_surveillance_reports


Anyone who votes Republican because they want to end abortion is a total dupe.

(Note: there are other charts on that page from other organizations with the same general shape if you don't believe this one.)

The statistical malpractice here is astounding.

Not as astounding as the malpractice of crediting the entirety to "Republican legislatures passing restrictions," that's for sure.

This seems to be on a more consistent basis if that suits you more, but it comes from Guttmacher.

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Any religious person who would deny someone else a part in their religion is not actually religious.

     This is a severe misunderstanding of the Catholic position. They are not excluding Biden, but calling him to repent for his own good. Unfortunately Americans have an entirely alien dialectic concerning communion, so the Catholic rationale is lost on the people.

Biden is pushing for policies that will lower the abortion rate. He is a pro-life Catholic hero, unlike that pro-abortionist Trump who would have caused more abortions.

You are the one who needs to repent from your sins of supporting pro-abortion Republican policies.

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Not as astounding as the malpractice of crediting the entirety to "Republican legislatures passing restrictions," that's for sure.

This seems to be on a more consistent basis if that suits you more, but it comes from Guttmacher.

This is rather meaningless in the absence of variables to demonstrate why this would be the case and ignores the fact that the rates would go down even further if the Supreme Court overturned Roe, something that is less likely to happen if you vote Democratic.

Spin all you want. You can't change the fact that Republicans are the "more abortion" party and Democrats are the "less abortion" party.

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A few things to note here.... these are discussions of drafts of a document and as far as I can tell no one is quite sure what the final document is going to say. Also, the USCCB, strangely enough, is not an authoritative body.* So presumably liberal priests and bishops will just do whatever they want anyways. That being said, the establishment of some kind of uniform standards for when a politician should be denied communion should probably be established. If one is, most priests and bishops will probably follow it instead of making arbitrary decisions seemingly at random. I suspect when this is all done it will also include more things than just abortion. It's clear that where things are now is not very healthy and both sides of the aisle are simply planning to engage in relentless whataboutism to pwn their ideological opponents rather than to accept the Church's teachings with humility. No doubt it will be a bumpy ride and lots of people are going to insult each other on the internet, but I think in the end it will help somewhat to break the current race to the bottom.

There's no way this is going to end well, unless you think anyone who isn't a Far Right Trumpist leaving the church, leaving the remnant ideologically pure to be a good outcome. Any denial of the Eucharist because of political issues as an outrageous and unprecedented attack on people's free thought.

And we all know that Biden personally opposes abortion - it would be one thing if he were encouraging more abortions or performing them himself. But when Biden is pursuing policies that will reduce abortions, attempting to follow his morals in a way that works even though it doesn't meet the approval of narrow-minded partisan out-of-touch know-it-alls with an axe to grind, this becomes an ENTIRELY POLITICAL attack on him that reasonable Catholics who aren't far right aren't going to forgive. If the "deny Democratz the Eucharist!!!" movement ever goes beyond a couple of rogue bishops, it's the end of Catholicism in America.

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the early Church's position on abortion.

Universal opposition.

Nothing was universal back then.

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the early Church's position on abortion.

Universal opposition.

Nothing was universal back then.

Find one example of Christians supporting abortion before the 20th century.

LOL, I'm no historian, but it's glaringly obvious that you're laying it on way too thick with your "universal opposition" assertion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Christian_thought_on_abortion