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« on: August 30, 2020, 10:00:04 AM »

Biden , Kamala, and the entire Democratic party need to condemn  the rioters tomorrow morning

And Trump's responsibility regarding Rittenhouse and other violent actors? What "must" Republicans do about them?

Trump has set expectations so low that I'll be impressed if he doesn't say or Tweet explicit support for Rittenhouse.
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« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2020, 10:01:25 AM »

If the exact same thing happened with the political sides switched, right-wing Twitter would have contrived a way for this shooting to have been self-defense by now. Are there any such theories coming out of left-wing Twitter?
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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2020, 02:18:52 PM »

Biden , Kamala, and the entire Democratic party need to condemn  the rioters tomorrow morning

And Trump's responsibility regarding Rittenhouse and other violent actors? What "must" Republicans do about them?

Trump has set expectations so low that I'll be impressed if he doesn't say or Tweet explicit support for Rittenhouse.

Devastatingly, I spoke too soon. Trump has now "liked" a pro-Rittenhouse Tweet. We've somehow reached yet another new low as a nation.
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2020, 07:28:45 PM »



Here is you go Fuzzy.
How is trump doing so far, to be the great "unifier" you seek for our nation?
Are you saying that we should just ignore and forget this man who was murdered by terrorists in our own country?
No. Tell that to President Trump "liked" a Tweet glorifying the terrorist who murdered two Americans in Kenosha this weekend. Remember that while Biden and his supporters condemn all violence, regardless of which side does it, Trump and his supporters think it's OK if it's their side beating up or murdering liberals.
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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2020, 07:35:23 PM »

Can you prove kyle rittenhouse was acting in a terroristic capacity? Are you saying there is a 0% chance it was self ddfense ?
I don't know if that was directed at me, but no, obviously I can't say 0% chance on any news story. There's always the possibility of a misunderstanding.

But no, I don't see any evidence on killing #1 for self-defense, which would invalidate a self-defense argument on the second one, since they would have been chasing him to detain the person who had already committed a murder.

It's fair to say that a guy who comes across state lines with a gun he's not legally allowed to own to intimidate protesters, and then uses that gun to kill some of them, was acting in a terrorist manner. I will of course change my position on this issue if against all odds an investigation suggests otherwise.
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« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2020, 07:43:52 PM »



Here is you go Fuzzy.
How is trump doing so far, to be the great "unifier" you seek for our nation?
Are you saying that we should just ignore and forget this man who was murdered by terrorists in our own country?
No. Tell that to President Trump "liked" a Tweet glorifying the terrorist who murdered two Americans in Kenosha this weekend. Remember that while Biden and his supporters condemn all violence, regardless of which side does it, Trump and his supporters think it's OK if it's their side beating up or murdering liberals.

What Rittenhouse did was utterly reprehensible and he deserves to suffer the full extent of the law for it, but the men that he murdered certainly weren't upright individuals with a deep and abiding love for this country. As I recall, one of them was a convicted sex offender. Again, these people did not deserve to die, but I don't think we should be glorifying them either.

Didn't the "sex offender" thing turn out to be yet another Ngo fake story? Not 100% sure on that. Either way, I'm not glorifying victims but joining my candidate (Biden) in condemning ALL violence while Trump and his supporters here (other than Sanchez) only condemn the violence from the Left while explicitly supporting the violence from the Right.
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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2020, 07:47:59 PM »

For those of you who are skeptical, you can see Trump's likes here:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/likes

I am not lying, exaggerating, or mistaken when I said the president is explicitly supporting Rittenhouse.
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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2020, 08:30:50 PM »

Can you prove kyle rittenhouse was acting in a terroristic capacity? Are you saying there is a 0% chance it was self ddfense ?
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It's fair to say that a guy who comes across state lines with a gun he's not legally allowed to own to intimidate protesters, and then uses that gun to kill some of them, was acting in a terrorist manner. I will of course change my position on this issue if against all odds an investigation suggests otherwise.

International border: imaginary line on a map, lol
Interstate border: OMG bringing a weapon across makes you a terrorist ahhhh

He also didn't "cross state lines with a gun". The gun belonged to a friend in the state where he works. This is by far the dumbest talking point. Metro areas and sub-regions clearly cross state lines on many occasions.
I don't think it shows more bad intent if someone drove 90 miles across state lines than 90 miles in the same state. I think the main reason the crossing of state lines has been mentioned is to emphasize how the (alleged) shooter came from a totally different area and decided to involve himself in a very tense situation that didn't involve him.

So you admit this is a lie/propaganda to turn people against him? Because this 100% was his community that he was involved in and the city he worked in.

It's two sets of gun laws he broke, not just 1.
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« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2020, 08:32:06 PM »

If Ngo said it, it requires independent confirmation.

I'm not saying it's impossible , but it seems unlikely that someone's name would be removed off the registry when media reports had barely identified the deceased.

You think the law enforcement agencies in charge of these registries take someone off as soon as they hear on CNN or the local radio someone with that same name died?

Yeah, the whole "Wisconsin took him down hours after he died" always seemed far-fetched to me. Combine that with a well-established liar driving the story, all I need is confirmation. I won't deny it or anything if there is confirmation, I just will keep a healthy skepticism until then.
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« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2020, 08:38:00 PM »

Can you prove kyle rittenhouse was acting in a terroristic capacity? Are you saying there is a 0% chance it was self ddfense ?
[...]

It's fair to say that a guy who comes across state lines with a gun he's not legally allowed to own to intimidate protesters, and then uses that gun to kill some of them, was acting in a terrorist manner. I will of course change my position on this issue if against all odds an investigation suggests otherwise.

International border: imaginary line on a map, lol
Interstate border: OMG bringing a weapon across makes you a terrorist ahhhh

He also didn't "cross state lines with a gun". The gun belonged to a friend in the state where he works. This is by far the dumbest talking point. Metro areas and sub-regions clearly cross state lines on many occasions.
I don't think it shows more bad intent if someone drove 90 miles across state lines than 90 miles in the same state. I think the main reason the crossing of state lines has been mentioned is to emphasize how the (alleged) shooter came from a totally different area and decided to involve himself in a very tense situation that didn't involve him.

So you admit this is a lie/propaganda to turn people against him? Because this 100% was his community that he was involved in and the city he worked in.

It's two sets of gun laws he broke, not just 1.

Not if it was only in WI as I said in my original post in receiving it from a WI friend. Underage possession is a misdemeanor that can usually go unenforced and has no serious related legal issues. And thank God he did or he would have been dead or at least disabled today.

Entirely speculation on your part. He would have behaved completely differently had he not had the gun. And there's no evidence that the first person he killed was making any threat on his life, and without him killing the first person the second person would never chased him down.
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