Who is the most anti-Catholic Democratic candidate?

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Um, none of them?

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None of them are anti-Catholic, and Beto is literally a Catholic lol.

So are Biden, Delaney, Castro, Gillibrand, Bullock, de Blasio, and Ryan.

You're not going to find any anti-Catholics in a Democratic Party, at least not at the national level. Certainly no one who would publicly feud with the Pope.

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Um, none of them?

Harris literally wouldn't confirm a judge because he was part of the Knights of Columbus.

I wouldn't either, unless he explicitly disagreed with their opinion on abortion.

I wouldn't expect a Republican senator to confirm a judge who was part of a Catholic organization that protested the death penalty or Trump's wall, but I wouldn't call him "anti-Catholic" for his vote.

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None of them are anti-Catholic, and Beto is literally a Catholic lol.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/deaconsbench/2019/03/tbt-that-time-beto-orourke-berated-a-catholic-priest/

Pretty pathetic of that article not to give the name of that "priest" so that readers can't Google him and learn that he was disciplined by his own Catholic diocese (!) for his outrageous anti-gay bigotry (!). No Democratic Catholic is going to disagree with the Beto/official Catholic position on this creep, and no Republican Catholic should either.

And pretty pathetic of you to post something that's been widely discussed and debunked on this forum before.

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Um, none of them?

Harris literally wouldn't confirm a judge because he was part of the Knights of Columbus.

I wouldn't either, unless he explicitly disagreed with their opinion on abortion.

I wouldn't expect a Republican senator to confirm a judge who was part of a Catholic organization that protested the death penalty or Trump's wall, but I wouldn't call him "anti-Catholic" for his vote.

Being a part of the Knights of Columbus is not a political act. They are a fraternal service organization, and politics is not what members of the KoC engage in. They are only pro-life because the Catholic Church as an entire institution is pro-life.

It depends on the chapter. Some of them go "protest" at abortion clinics. That's the reason my dad quit his, when it got taken over by creepy weirdos who wanted to go harass women at the clinic.

There's a reason why all prominent conservative Catholic politicians are members and and most liberal Catholic politicians aren't - don't insult everyone's intelligence and pretend that there's not. There's a reason the Knights had GWBush as the keynote speaker in the 2004 national convention (an election year in which his opponent was himself Catholic).

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Um, none of them?

The candidate who received 2,868,691 more popular votes than Donald Trump had advisers that planned to infiltrate the Catholic Church with liberal activists in an attempt to change Catholic doctrine and bend it toward today's Democratic Party. 

Please don't tell me that the Democratic Party mainstream isn't anti-Catholic.  You don't have your Podestas and Palmeiris planning this caper on e-mail.  Knowing this is another one of Julian Assange's gifts to America.  That key advisers of a Presidential candidate were hatching such plans is kind of an important revelation, is it not?

Oh f--- off, like you even care, Mr. Catholics-Go-To-Hell. A couple of Hillary staffers who are proud Catholics joking about something that 100% of Catholic Democrats wish would happen is not in the same universe compared to your ilk claiming that one must not only be Christian to go to Heaven, but also believe that you must be Christian to go to Heaven in order to get there. Nor is it comparable to your False Prophet getting in a regular long-standing pissing contest with the pope himself.

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Like I say with the Jews, if you want to figure out if a party is anti-__, follow the votes. Jews vote overwhelmingly Democratic, thus it stands to reason that Democrats aren't anti-Semitic.

Catholics don't vote 80%+ Democratic, it's more like 50-50, but it at least suggests that Democrats aren't inherently anti-Catholic. And given that's a better Democratic % than virtually any Christian group gets (basically just some black denominations that are up in the 90% range, and BRTD's church too), it shows that Democrats are pro-Catholic, at least relative to the vast majority of non-Catholic Christian groups.

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None of them are anti-Catholic, and Beto is literally a Catholic lol.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/deaconsbench/2019/03/tbt-that-time-beto-orourke-berated-a-catholic-priest/

Pretty pathetic of that article not to give the name of that "priest" so that readers can't Google him and learn that he was disciplined by his own Catholic diocese (!) for his outrageous anti-gay bigotry (!). No Democratic Catholic is going to disagree with the Beto/official Catholic position on this creep, and no Republican Catholic should either.

And pretty pathetic of you to post something that's been widely discussed and debunked on this forum before.

Look at Beto's words. He was attacking the Catholic church as a whole ("the church you represent"), and even criticized the Pope.  Don't pretend Beto was following some official Catholic position here.

Pointing out that the Church has moral failings is not anti-Catholic, and if criticizing the Pope were (ipso facto) anti-Catholic then we'd have to say that several prominent conservative cardinals today are anti-Catholic.

Anyway, the answer is almost certainly Harris. Gillibrand has said some things that evidence a profound cluelessness about how Catholic doctrine works that's astonishing in someone who was raised Catholic and still nominally identifies as Catholic, but I don't think she's hostile to Catholicism as such.

What argument is there that Buttigieg is anti-Catholic? Is it just that he used to be Catholic and no longer is? The same is true of John Kasich and for that matter Mike Pence; that doesn't in and of itself make them anti-Catholic any more than I'm anti-Anglican.

It's not just pointing out the Catholic Church has moral failings, it's using that as an ad hominem to say that a representative of the Church deserves to be ignored on a different issue.

But, according to the Catholic Church itself, this "priest" does deserve to be ignored on the issue of gay marriage. Virtually all Catholic Democrats will find nothing wrong with what Beto said to this creep.

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None of them are anti-Catholic, and Beto is literally a Catholic lol.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/deaconsbench/2019/03/tbt-that-time-beto-orourke-berated-a-catholic-priest/

Pretty pathetic of that article not to give the name of that "priest" so that readers can't Google him and learn that he was disciplined by his own Catholic diocese (!) for his outrageous anti-gay bigotry (!). No Democratic Catholic is going to disagree with the Beto/official Catholic position on this creep, and no Republican Catholic should either.

And pretty pathetic of you to post something that's been widely discussed and debunked on this forum before.

Look at Beto's words. He was attacking the Catholic church as a whole ("the church you represent"), and even criticized the Pope.  Don't pretend Beto was following some official Catholic position here.

Pointing out that the Church has moral failings is not anti-Catholic, and if criticizing the Pope were (ipso facto) anti-Catholic then we'd have to say that several prominent conservative cardinals today are anti-Catholic.

Anyway, the answer is almost certainly Harris. Gillibrand has said some things that evidence a profound cluelessness about how Catholic doctrine works that's astonishing in someone who was raised Catholic and still nominally identifies as Catholic, but I don't think she's hostile to Catholicism as such.

What argument is there that Buttigieg is anti-Catholic? Is it just that he used to be Catholic and no longer is? The same is true of John Kasich and for that matter Mike Pence; that doesn't in and of itself make them anti-Catholic any more than I'm anti-Anglican.

I heard about him getting into some dispute with South Bend's diocese's bishop. And he strongly fought to keep a women's health clinic that performed abortions in South Bend open, something the Catholic Church really gunned for closing.

He's going against most all Christian denominations doing that though, including his own -- it's not like it was a particularly anti-Catholic action.

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None of them are anti-Catholic, and Beto is literally a Catholic lol.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/deaconsbench/2019/03/tbt-that-time-beto-orourke-berated-a-catholic-priest/

Pretty pathetic of that article not to give the name of that "priest" so that readers can't Google him and learn that he was disciplined by his own Catholic diocese (!) for his outrageous anti-gay bigotry (!). No Democratic Catholic is going to disagree with the Beto/official Catholic position on this creep, and no Republican Catholic should either.

And pretty pathetic of you to post something that's been widely discussed and debunked on this forum before.

Look at Beto's words. He was attacking the Catholic church as a whole ("the church you represent"), and even criticized the Pope.  Don't pretend Beto was following some official Catholic position here.

Pointing out that the Church has moral failings is not anti-Catholic, and if criticizing the Pope were (ipso facto) anti-Catholic then we'd have to say that several prominent conservative cardinals today are anti-Catholic.

Anyway, the answer is almost certainly Harris. Gillibrand has said some things that evidence a profound cluelessness about how Catholic doctrine works that's astonishing in someone who was raised Catholic and still nominally identifies as Catholic, but I don't think she's hostile to Catholicism as such.

What argument is there that Buttigieg is anti-Catholic? Is it just that he used to be Catholic and no longer is? The same is true of John Kasich and for that matter Mike Pence; that doesn't in and of itself make them anti-Catholic any more than I'm anti-Anglican.

I heard about him getting into some dispute with South Bend's diocese's bishop. And he strongly fought to keep a women's health clinic that performed abortions in South Bend open, something the Catholic Church really gunned for closing.

He's going against most all Christian denominations doing that though, including his own -- it's not like it was a particularly anti-Catholic action.

The Episcopal church wasn't trying to close the clinic.

The Episcopal Church opposes elective abortion (like the Catholic Church it allows it to save the mother's life, and unlike the Catholic Church in the case of rape/incest), so it's pretty clear that Buttigieg was going against his denomination, even if they weren't leading the charge.

That's not a knock on him, of course. I'm proud of all 20 candidates in the Democratic field standing up for abortion rights, even though all 20 of them (actually I'm not 100% sure about Gabbard or Yang, but probably them too) belong to religious groups that disagree with their opinion.

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None of them are anti-Catholic, and Beto is literally a Catholic lol.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/deaconsbench/2019/03/tbt-that-time-beto-orourke-berated-a-catholic-priest/

Pretty pathetic of that article not to give the name of that "priest" so that readers can't Google him and learn that he was disciplined by his own Catholic diocese (!) for his outrageous anti-gay bigotry (!). No Democratic Catholic is going to disagree with the Beto/official Catholic position on this creep, and no Republican Catholic should either.

And pretty pathetic of you to post something that's been widely discussed and debunked on this forum before.

Look at Beto's words. He was attacking the Catholic church as a whole ("the church you represent"), and even criticized the Pope.  Don't pretend Beto was following some official Catholic position here.

Pointing out that the Church has moral failings is not anti-Catholic, and if criticizing the Pope were (ipso facto) anti-Catholic then we'd have to say that several prominent conservative cardinals today are anti-Catholic.

Anyway, the answer is almost certainly Harris. Gillibrand has said some things that evidence a profound cluelessness about how Catholic doctrine works that's astonishing in someone who was raised Catholic and still nominally identifies as Catholic, but I don't think she's hostile to Catholicism as such.

What argument is there that Buttigieg is anti-Catholic? Is it just that he used to be Catholic and no longer is? The same is true of John Kasich and for that matter Mike Pence; that doesn't in and of itself make them anti-Catholic any more than I'm anti-Anglican.

It's not just pointing out the Catholic Church has moral failings, it's using that as an ad hominem to say that a representative of the Church deserves to be ignored on a different issue.

But, according to the Catholic Church itself, this "priest" does deserve to be ignored on the issue of gay marriage. Virtually all Catholic Democrats will find nothing wrong with what Beto said to this creep.

Beto was explicitly treating the priest (he was still a priest at this time) as a representative of the Catholic Church, and saying he deserves to be ignored for that reason!

I don't know what else to tell you. Any Catholic truly offended by what Beto said was never going to vote for Beto or any other Democratic candidate anyway.

Both liberal Catholics and conservative Catholics tend to be unoffended by strongly worded criticism of the Church when they agree with the criticism. Democratic Catholics don't care when the Church is criticized for its views on abortion and gay equality, and Republican Catholics don't care when the Church is criticized for its views on climate change, capital punishment and #BuildTheWall.

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None of them are anti-Catholic, and Beto is literally a Catholic lol.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/deaconsbench/2019/03/tbt-that-time-beto-orourke-berated-a-catholic-priest/

Pretty pathetic of that article not to give the name of that "priest" so that readers can't Google him and learn that he was disciplined by his own Catholic diocese (!) for his outrageous anti-gay bigotry (!). No Democratic Catholic is going to disagree with the Beto/official Catholic position on this creep, and no Republican Catholic should either.

And pretty pathetic of you to post something that's been widely discussed and debunked on this forum before.

Look at Beto's words. He was attacking the Catholic church as a whole ("the church you represent"), and even criticized the Pope.  Don't pretend Beto was following some official Catholic position here.

Pointing out that the Church has moral failings is not anti-Catholic, and if criticizing the Pope were (ipso facto) anti-Catholic then we'd have to say that several prominent conservative cardinals today are anti-Catholic.

Anyway, the answer is almost certainly Harris. Gillibrand has said some things that evidence a profound cluelessness about how Catholic doctrine works that's astonishing in someone who was raised Catholic and still nominally identifies as Catholic, but I don't think she's hostile to Catholicism as such.

What argument is there that Buttigieg is anti-Catholic? Is it just that he used to be Catholic and no longer is? The same is true of John Kasich and for that matter Mike Pence; that doesn't in and of itself make them anti-Catholic any more than I'm anti-Anglican.

It's not just pointing out the Catholic Church has moral failings, it's using that as an ad hominem to say that a representative of the Church deserves to be ignored on a different issue.

But, according to the Catholic Church itself, this "priest" does deserve to be ignored on the issue of gay marriage. Virtually all Catholic Democrats will find nothing wrong with what Beto said to this creep.

Beto was explicitly treating the priest (he was still a priest at this time) as a representative of the Catholic Church, and saying he deserves to be ignored for that reason!

I don't know what else to tell you. Any Catholic truly offended by what Beto said was never going to vote for Beto or any other Democratic candidate anyway.

Both liberal Catholics and conservative Catholics tend to be unoffended by strongly worded criticism of the Church when they agree with the criticism. Democratic Catholics don't care when the Church is criticized for its views on abortion and gay equality, and Republican Catholics don't care when the Church is criticized for its views on climate change, capital punishment and #BuildTheWall.

Exactly why it makes no sense to be Catholic, why belong to a church that's guaranteed to piss you off around half the time?

Yeah, I kinda agree with this sentence on a personal level, but most people don't think like us.

For example, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a devout Catholic, and I don't think she sits around gets all pissed off about her church's views on abortion and gay equality (and presumably premarital sex too, since she cohabitates with her partner). She probably just never even gives them a thought, just like Catholic pro-Trump representatives just ignore the fact that they aren't "supposed" to be for capital punishment or pissing contests with the pope.

Lots of people (not just Catholics) routinely have huge areas of cognitive dissonance and just don't worry about it.

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(like the Catholic Church it allows it to save the mother's life, and unlike the Catholic Church in the case of rape/incest)

Just to clarify, the Catholic Church teaches that abortion is never morally permissible. 

Meh, I know for a fact that a Catholic hospital will remove an ectopic pregnancy that is threatening a woman's life.

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What's the point of bumping a thread like this?

People were skeptical of my claiming Beto isn't a real Catholic. Well since then he's called for eliminating the tax exemption for churches that oppose same-sex marriage. Yeah that's totally someone I can see as a Catholic.

Ah, yes. That. Yes, I see what you mean.

I hope you don't think this is a good idea, though. Not only is imposing a state orthodoxy in theology of sexuality a violation of the Establishment Clause, doing so would give carte blanche for the next Republican administration to punish your church the same way if it saw fit.

I'm not disputing it's blatantly unconstitutional. I'm just saying it's kind of comical to suggest someone could propose that and be a Catholic. That goes well beyond disagreeing with the church's position on abortion or homosexuality.

"And yet it moves."