Opinion of Fuzzy Bear

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If he did not repeatedly insist that Michael Brown robbed a gas station (which has been debunked even by Fox News) and beat up a woman (which I think Fuzzy must have just made up, since I can't even find a fake news site claiming he did), this might be a tough choice. But the whole thing is a microcosm of the way he interacts with everyone here. He's objectively wrong, and people have gone to great lengths to demonstrate that to him (but remaining respectful in the process), but the more proof we provide, the harder he digs in. Then a few weeks or months later, he posts it again in another unrelated thread as if the whole previous discussion never happened.

Maybe he's going senile? It would explain a lot. He also regularly forgets that some Polynesian societies have 3 genders.

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Remember when Fuzzy was doing this several times a week, rarely in threads that had anything to do with Bill Clinton or #MeToo or anything else that would make it at least somewhat on topic?

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He's got a new one now. And even though he's been told repeatedly by so many people that we don't think like this, he's just projecting, and we would still support treating immigrants humanely if they were all promised to never become citizens or even to become citizens so they could vote Republican. Also note that only 1 of the 4 threads has anything to do with immigration.

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I'm sure we'll see this super clever zinger pollute many more unrelated threads over the next few months.

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Mega FF.

Burning in Hell to own the libs.

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Mega FF.

Burning in Hell to own the libs.

Imagine thinking you (or any of us) can possibly know whether someone goes to hell.

Yeah, it's pretty sick that Fundamentalist Christians are certain (and usually smug and giddy about it) that you and I will spend eternity burning together in Hell.

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These numbers are kind of interesting. I think this is probably a reasonable ceiling for someone whose beliefs piss off a lot of Atlas users but who is otherwise respectful and articulate.

If Fuzzy were more like an average Republican user in posting style, his FF numbers would probably crater.

Respectful?? It is the ultimate of disrespect (and well outside the mainstream, so nobody start) to believe our Jewish, Catholic, Mormon, and nonreligious posters will spend eternity burning in Hell.

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These numbers are kind of interesting. I think this is probably a reasonable ceiling for someone whose beliefs piss off a lot of Atlas users but who is otherwise respectful and articulate.

If Fuzzy were more like an average Republican user in posting style, his FF numbers would probably crater.

Respectful?? It is the ultimate of disrespect (and well outside the mainstream, so nobody start) to believe our Jewish, Catholic, Mormon, and nonreligious posters will spend eternity burning in Hell.

Do you know anything about Christianity at all?

Yes, I went to Catholic Sunday school for 12 years and have done lots of additional self-study. The idea that only Christians can go to Heaven is only believed by some conservative Evangelical denominations, despite their constant claim that it's the "default" Christian position.

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These numbers are kind of interesting. I think this is probably a reasonable ceiling for someone whose beliefs piss off a lot of Atlas users but who is otherwise respectful and articulate.

If Fuzzy were more like an average Republican user in posting style, his FF numbers would probably crater.

Respectful?? It is the ultimate of disrespect (and well outside the mainstream, so nobody start) to believe our Jewish, Catholic, Mormon, and nonreligious posters will spend eternity burning in Hell.

Religious toleration is treating people you believe will burn in Hell with respect.

That's literally impossible, because it is inherently disrespectful to believe that people from other faiths are condemned to Hell.

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These numbers are kind of interesting. I think this is probably a reasonable ceiling for someone whose beliefs piss off a lot of Atlas users but who is otherwise respectful and articulate.

If Fuzzy were more like an average Republican user in posting style, his FF numbers would probably crater.

Respectful?? It is the ultimate of disrespect (and well outside the mainstream, so nobody start) to believe our Jewish, Catholic, Mormon, and nonreligious posters will spend eternity burning in Hell.

Do you know anything about Christianity at all?

Yes, I went to Catholic Sunday school for 12 years and have done lots of additional self-study. The idea that only Christians can go to Heaven is only believed by some conservative Evangelical denominations, despite their constant claim that it's the "default" Christian position.

I went to a Lutheran and then a Reformed school from 1999 through 2015. I would recommend you read a Bible. Jesus lays it out quite clearly.

And yet the Catholic Church, Anglican Communion, Orthodox Churches, and Mormons explicitly disagree with you. That encompasses over 70% of Christians right there, and we haven't counted all the mainline Protestants who also disagree, nor the BRTD-type Evangelicals. (I don't have exact numbers on every Protestant denomination or their explicit beliefs, but I think it's safe to say that gets us into the mid-80s.)

You can say it's "clear" until the cows come home, but the numbers say otherwise.

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Uh, last time I checked, Catholics and Eastern Orthodox believe that only Christians go to heaven.

You are either lying or have never listened to them before. If you didn't have to be christian to go to heaven, there would be no christians in 2019

And if any christian has ever said this before, they are wrong. It makes zero sense.

This is what I mean when I say that Evangelicals tend to think their denomination's views are the "default" Christian beliefs and are totally unaware that other Christians disagree.

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Its baffling why you're arguing over this with someone who went to 12 years of Catholic Sunday School.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism_of_desire

Not to mention all the press about Pope Francis explicitly stating atheists DO go to Heaven multiple times. Basically no one of any faith "hates the Lord" or whatever nonsense point you think you're making.

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We really shouldn't have a gangbang on any specific poster.  Especially when he's older.

Sure, I always give him extra deference on account of his age, but let's not pretend he doesn't bring the scrutiny and criticism upon himself. For example, I've never been anything but patient and cordial to him, and have repeatedly bent over backwards to defend him to people who are (understandably) sick of his sh**t, and this is how he thanks me:

He's better than AltorBotox, ProudModerate2, and 136 or 142.  He's probably better than Harry.  He's definitely better than the departed ag.  I agree that this is a very low bar.  He's at Landslide Lyndon levels.

(Note that I had not participated on the thread in question, nor did it have anything to do with me, nor had we recently been sparring, which could have led to him making an emotional comment that he didn't really mean.)

Maybe he inadvertently misattributed someone else's rude comment to me or something, but it's very, very difficult to continue to try to see the best in someone who is so consistently unpleasant and rude. And there's a lot of people around here (recently TSA, but several others too) who get it worse from him unjustifiably than I do.

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We really shouldn't have a gangbang on any specific poster.  Especially when he's older.

Sure, I always give him extra deference on account of his age, but let's not pretend he doesn't bring the scrutiny and criticism upon himself. For example, I've never been anything but patient and cordial to him, and have repeatedly bent over backwards to defend him to people who are (understandably) sick of his sh**t, and this is how he thanks me:

He's better than AltorBotox, ProudModerate2, and 136 or 142.  He's probably better than Harry.  He's definitely better than the departed ag.  I agree that this is a very low bar.  He's at Landslide Lyndon levels.

(Note that I had not participated on the thread in question, nor did it have anything to do with me, nor had we recently been sparring, which could have led to him making an emotional comment that he didn't really mean.)

Maybe he inadvertently misattributed someone else's rude comment to me or something, but it's very, very difficult to continue to try to see the best in someone who is so consistently unpleasant and rude. And there's a lot of people around here (recently TSA, but several others too) who get it worse from him unjustifiably than I do.

The people who are "sick of his [expletive]" are the very people causing the trouble. They harass him (and others), denigrate him, and have nothing but unkind things to say. They are unable to find any common ground with him, and treat him as if he were an inbred racist, a white supremacist, or an evangelical fanatic. They are unable to acknowledge when he is right, and when they are wrong. He has every right to fight back against people such as these.

Yeah, that's just not an accurate description of his interactions with others here. He is far less kind to people than they are to him. People bend over backwards to try to congratulate him when he says something atypically non-terrible (check out his recommendations if you don't believe me), and people try to see the good in him MUCH more often than he tries to see the good in others.

I know you want to stick up for a fellow blue avatar, it's natural, but sometimes we all have to look at people on our side for what they really are.

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We really shouldn't have a gangbang on any specific poster.  Especially when he's older.

Sure, I always give him extra deference on account of his age, but let's not pretend he doesn't bring the scrutiny and criticism upon himself. For example, I've never been anything but patient and cordial to him, and have repeatedly bent over backwards to defend him to people who are (understandably) sick of his sh**t, and this is how he thanks me:

He's better than AltorBotox, ProudModerate2, and 136 or 142.  He's probably better than Harry.  He's definitely better than the departed ag.  I agree that this is a very low bar.  He's at Landslide Lyndon levels.

(Note that I had not participated on the thread in question, nor did it have anything to do with me, nor had we recently been sparring, which could have led to him making an emotional comment that he didn't really mean.)

Maybe he inadvertently misattributed someone else's rude comment to me or something, but it's very, very difficult to continue to try to see the best in someone who is so consistently unpleasant and rude. And there's a lot of people around here (recently TSA, but several others too) who get it worse from him unjustifiably than I do.

The people who are "sick of his [expletive]" are the very people causing the trouble. They harass him (and others), denigrate him, and have nothing but unkind things to say. They are unable to find any common ground with him, and treat him as if he were an inbred racist, a white supremacist, or an evangelical fanatic. They are unable to acknowledge when he is right, and when they are wrong. He has every right to fight back against people such as these.

Yeah, that's just not an accurate description of his interactions with others here. He is far less kind to people than they are to him. People bend over backwards to try to congratulate him when he says something atypically non-terrible (check out his recommendations if you don't believe me), and people try to see the good in him MUCH more often than he tries to see the good in others.

I know you want to stick up for a fellow blue avatar, it's natural, but sometimes we all have to look at people on our side for what they really are.

I'm not blind to his faults. Fuzzy Bear does have the habit of making snide comments, which in some instances, does not help the situation. And I have disagreed with some of his policy/political stances as well. However, that doesn't change the fact that most of his detractors don't seem to be interested in engaging with him on a more substantive basis. People like ProudModerate2 and LandslideLyndon, in particular, find joy in denigrating him, and are unwilling to acknowledge when he might be right on something.

Well, you've already met me halfway. Now check out the Recommendations he gets from his detractors when he says something non terrible and you'll see that lots of people gleefully acknowledging he's right. There may be a couple of people meaner to him than he is to them, but that's rarely the case.

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God, theoretically, is all powerful and can manifest himself in any form or situation imaginable. If you’re able to accept that Fuzzy is a Christian, you certainly shouldn’t be surprised. Call it bizarre all you want (those aren’t fighting words btw - it’s a free country and you’re free to not follow any faith too) but Fuzzy is EXTREMELY representative of a huge demographic of the country. Saying he’s unique among right-wingers isn’t the case.

I happen to think Fuzzy as the personification of the forgotten man and the silent majority of this country. I think he’s a good and Godly man, the kind who’d give the shirt off his back to help someone. You can disagree. But Fuzzy is, to me at least, one of the best posters because of this. He’s got his fingers dipped in the current that carried Trump to office. To lose that kind of insight on a forum like this would be a tragedy.

You're definitely right that he's representative of millions of Americans, but I don't know how in the world you get the "he'd give you the shirt off his back guy" vibe out of him. Fuzzy is constantly making rude, mean-spirited personal attacks on people here. And he's SO repetitive about it.

Like, Reaganfan (for example) has posted worse stuff on here overall on the racist/Trumpist scale, but Reaganfan doesn't generally attack individual posters specifically. Fuzzy stands in total contrast to that - just a total belligerent prick in the way he interacts with people. In fact, he himself has acknowledged it, that he gives people attitude on purpose as an arguing tactic. Fuzzy might actually be a nice guy in real life, but his forum persona would laugh and scowl at someone in distress. He's as far away from a "give you the shirt off his back guy" as this forum has.

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God, theoretically, is all powerful and can manifest himself in any form or situation imaginable. If you’re able to accept that Fuzzy is a Christian, you certainly shouldn’t be surprised. Call it bizarre all you want (those aren’t fighting words btw - it’s a free country and you’re free to not follow any faith too) but Fuzzy is EXTREMELY representative of a huge demographic of the country. Saying he’s unique among right-wingers isn’t the case.

I happen to think Fuzzy as the personification of the forgotten man and the silent majority of this country. I think he’s a good and Godly man, the kind who’d give the shirt off his back to help someone. You can disagree. But Fuzzy is, to me at least, one of the best posters because of this. He’s got his fingers dipped in the current that carried Trump to office. To lose that kind of insight on a forum like this would be a tragedy.

You're definitely right that he's representative of millions of Americans, but I don't know how in the world you get the "he'd give you the shirt off his back guy" vibe out of him. Fuzzy is constantly making rude, mean-spirited personal attacks on people here. And he's SO repetitive about it.

Like, Reaganfan (for example) has posted worse stuff on here overall on the racist/Trumpist scale, but Reaganfan doesn't generally attack individual posters specifically. Fuzzy stands in total contrast to that - just a total belligerent prick in the way he interacts with people. In fact, he himself has acknowledged it, that he gives people attitude on purpose as an arguing tactic. Fuzzy might actually be a nice guy in real life, but his forum persona would laugh and scowl at someone in distress. He's as far away from a "give you the shirt off his back guy" as this forum has.

I wonder if you would apply the same standard to ProudModerate2 or Landslide Lyndon. Those two are especially egregious with their insults and attacks against others.

What kind of clown question is that? Obviously I would never allow a person's politics to determine whether or the poster is a nice or nasty. I've called out people on my side lots of times when they cross the line.

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God, theoretically, is all powerful and can manifest himself in any form or situation imaginable. If you’re able to accept that Fuzzy is a Christian, you certainly shouldn’t be surprised. Call it bizarre all you want (those aren’t fighting words btw - it’s a free country and you’re free to not follow any faith too) but Fuzzy is EXTREMELY representative of a huge demographic of the country. Saying he’s unique among right-wingers isn’t the case.

I happen to think Fuzzy as the personification of the forgotten man and the silent majority of this country. I think he’s a good and Godly man, the kind who’d give the shirt off his back to help someone. You can disagree. But Fuzzy is, to me at least, one of the best posters because of this. He’s got his fingers dipped in the current that carried Trump to office. To lose that kind of insight on a forum like this would be a tragedy.

You're definitely right that he's representative of millions of Americans, but I don't know how in the world you get the "he'd give you the shirt off his back guy" vibe out of him. Fuzzy is constantly making rude, mean-spirited personal attacks on people here. And he's SO repetitive about it.

Like, Reaganfan (for example) has posted worse stuff on here overall on the racist/Trumpist scale, but Reaganfan doesn't generally attack individual posters specifically. Fuzzy stands in total contrast to that - just a total belligerent prick in the way he interacts with people. In fact, he himself has acknowledged it, that he gives people attitude on purpose as an arguing tactic. Fuzzy might actually be a nice guy in real life, but his forum persona would laugh and scowl at someone in distress. He's as far away from a "give you the shirt off his back guy" as this forum has.

I wonder if you would apply the same standard to ProudModerate2 or Landslide Lyndon. Those two are especially egregious with their insults and attacks against others.

What kind of clown question is that? Obviously I would never allow a person's politics to determine whether or the poster is a nice or nasty. I've called out people on my side lots of times when they cross the line.

Have you really done so though?

... yes?

The search feature kinda sucks here, but this is a recent example of me calling out people on my side for crossing the line in their criticism of a Republican poster (which has made on several threads, not just this one)
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=266227.msg6893426#msg6893426

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I view people doing this to me as committing slander and libel.  Nothing happens to them; their posts aren't even moderated.  (I was told to report posts, and I have, and I fail to see any effect.)  I'm not going to let people slander or libel me, though.  I will push back on that.  Please tell me why I should not.

Cut the bullsh**t Fuzzy. You went and cried to PIT and succesfully got 2 of my posts deleted ... because I said that you don't believe Jews and other non-Christians can go to Heaven. That's neither slander nor libel, because you've said over and over that you do believe that. (Or you could correct me right now if you don't.)

Quit playing the persecuted victim. There are tangible examples of moderators who DO stretch the TOS to do you what you want them to do.

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I view people doing this to me as committing slander and libel.  Nothing happens to them; their posts aren't even moderated.  (I was told to report posts, and I have, and I fail to see any effect.)  I'm not going to let people slander or libel me, though.  I will push back on that.  Please tell me why I should not.

Cut the bullsh**t Fuzzy. You went and cried to PIT and succesfully got 2 of my posts deleted ... because I said that you don't believe Jews and other non-Christians can go to Heaven. That's neither slander nor libel, because you've said over and over that you do believe that. (Or you could correct me right now if you don't.)

Quit playing the persecuted victim. There are tangible examples of moderators who DO stretch the TOS to do you what you want them to do.

Another example of what I was talking about earlier, of your inability to restrain yourself from attacks on Fuzzy Bear and other posters of his kind.

A. There are no "others." I am excessively polite to literally everyone else on the forum. Not sure why you had to throw a little exaggeration into there, but perhaps you confused me with someone else.

B. Nothing I said was an "attack" on Fuzzy. Attacks are personal in nature and not relevant to the topic. All I did was provide a disproving counterexample of Fuzzy's oft-posted, oft-debunked narrative that he's treated unfairly here.

C. I'm much, much, much more polite to Fuzzy than he is to me or dozens of other posters here, and even you will agree (if you do an unbiased, good-faith look into the facts) that Fuzzy's "I AM SO PURRRRSECUTED!!" shtick is annoying and objectively false, and if people didn't call him out on it, posters and lurkers who didn't look into it would believe what he's saying is true.

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clear slander

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Fuzzy: "I believe that people (assuming they are mentally capable adults) must be born again Christians in order to go to Heaven when they die."

2,868,691: "Fuzzy believes that people who are not Christian will not go to Heaven when they die."

Fuzzy: "Why, why, that's ... clear slander!!! MODDDDDS!!!"

PIT: Removes 2,868,691's post as "Personal Attack"

Fuzzy: "People slander me all the time and the mods never do anything about it!!!! UNFAIR!!!!"

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I have 1 more reported post than I did an hour ago. I wonder what it could be?

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If telling someone to "cut the [expletive]" and to "stop playing the persecuted victim" is being "excessively polite", than your worldview must be an entirely distorted one.

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There are no "others." I am excessively polite to literally everyone else on the forum.

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TSA is a good dude; we just have irreconcilable differences on Middle East issues and the virtues of Tlaib and Omar.  There aren't too many people I think I've been unfair to, but I may have been to him in a recent exchange.

Harry, on the other hand, speaks for himself.  To respond to someone as "Look who came crawling back!" does sort of speak for itself does it not?

Fuzzy, Fuzzy, Fuzzy ... this is a prime example of why we're all legitimately worried about you.

Hint: Reread page 10 of this thread, paying close attention to who posted what.