Jury finds that Donald Trump sexually abused E. Jean Carroll in civil case

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Not surprised they said no to the rape case since they're harder to prove in court, but the yes to sexual abuse is still a pretty BFD. Doesn't this mean he'd have to register as a sex offender?

https://twitter.com/JDiamond1/status/1656013550278590465

Civil suit so no, but he is a convicted sexual predator.

Not really. I mean definitely no being registered sex offender, and to use technical lawyers I wouldn't call him a convicted sex offender.

But yes, a jury found at least more likely than not that he sexually assaulted a woman.

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Nothing burger.

Being found guilty for battery and sexual assault is not a “nothing burger”. What a terrible thing to say.

It’s terrible, but if we’re being honest, it’s true.

No genius. If we're being honest you're an awful apologist for sexual assault and really need to sit down and a corner and be quiet during the rest of this conversation.

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Well the fallout is already beginning:

https://twitter.com/heatherscope/status/1656034069379989509?s=20
https://twitter.com/bresreports/status/1656033996998885391?s=20

You guys are grasping at straws. Trump is in big trouble and it's only going to get worse for him from here

Yep, what the current polls miss is that Trump is going to be stuck in a lot of scandals and he is going to be just totally destroyed at the debates when everyone gangs up on him. I suspect DeSantis will be the main beneficiary in the end, but it could be Haley or someone else.

This is why I think the threads that DeSantis is DOA are grossly premature and likely wrong. Between this civil suit verdict, at least one indictment, probably at least one or more additional ones by the time primary season starts I believe the large majority of Republican primary and caucus voters will understand that this guy who wants got very lucky by threading the needle with the Electoral College 8 years ago is completely unelectable.

DeSantis may not exactly be setting the world on fire, and I suppose it's possible that some other candidate like Haley or Scott might come out of the woodwork as the primary season moves on, DeSantis still looks like a solid odds on favorite for the nomination. Frankly, unless Trump completely collapses that will only help DeSantis as it will provide less oxygen for another candidate to grow as a contender against him and trump.

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Oh yes, he's a rapist... I believe the anonymous woman from 2016 as well as Carroll.

Plus the approximately 20 other women who have come forward with similar allegations. Again, Republicans want a serial rapist as president

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Alan Dershowitz's essay of the day appeared in my morning's in box.

"It is also hard to reconcile the jury’s finding that he did not rape her with its finding that he maliciously defamed her by essentially saying that he did not rape her. 

'Accordingly, the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit to which this case will be appealed, will have its work cut out for it. There will be other substantial issues as well on appeal. They include the extension of the statute of limitations, after it had already expired, which allowed the plaintiff to bring a quarter-century-old case. This may well constitute denial of due process as guaranteed by the Fifth Amendment. Other appellate issues will include the judge’s strange ruling that the names of the jurors will remain anonymous even to the lawyers, thus denying them the ability to research them and determine whether any hidden biases may have existed. This may violate the defendant’s constitutional right to trial by jury guaranteed by the Seventh Amendment."

The bolded bit had popped into my own mind immediately after I read the verdict. That is just weird.

The denial to the defense's attorneys to do research on the juror's is troubling under the American law (in Britain they have no voir dire of jurors at all),  as well as the reanimation of criminal exposure after a statute of limitations has expired.

Dersh thinks it more likely than not that this verdict will be reversed on appeal, and from what I know as a non expert in the field, I agree with him.

The Bragg indictment against Trump is problematical too. The hunt for the case that will really nail Trump remains a work in progress.

Oh come on Torie. Appellate courts in Heavenly rule along the lines of whose Ox got gored for these type of inconsistent verdicts. I don't buy it'll be reversed.

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It's just good to see Trump found guilty of something honestly. He's a f-ing creep and I hope this makes a difference. Probably won't but, hopefully a few more people couldn't take it anymore and won't support him.

Honestly, they'll just switch to desantis. All the fascism without the baggage. Though about 98% of them if forced to choose between Biden and a cereal sexual batter they'll just hoot and chortle at memes about Biden being huggy and support Trump anyway.

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It's just good to see Trump found guilty of something honestly. He's a f-ing creep and I hope this makes a difference. Probably won't but, hopefully a few more people couldn't take it anymore and won't support him.

Honestly, they'll just switch to desantis. All the fascism without the baggage. Though about 98% of them if forced to choose between Biden and a cereal sexual batter they'll just hoot and chortle at memes about Biden being huggy and support Trump anyway.

DeSantis isn’t a fascist and yes I’m gonna proudly vote for him if he is the nominee

He legalized discrimination and took punitive measures against a company just because they criticized him.
He is the epitome of a fascist.

Was The Bush/Cheney administration fascist because I remember when liberals used to call them that too

Pretty much, yeah.

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It's just good to see Trump found guilty of something honestly. He's a f-ing creep and I hope this makes a difference. Probably won't but, hopefully a few more people couldn't take it anymore and won't support him.

Honestly, they'll just switch to desantis. All the fascism without the baggage. Though about 98% of them if forced to choose between Biden and a cereal sexual batter they'll just hoot and chortle at memes about Biden being huggy and support Trump anyway.

DeSantis isn’t a fascist and yes I’m gonna proudly vote for him if he is the nominee

He legalized discrimination and took punitive measures against a company just because they criticized him.
He is the epitome of a fascist.

Was The Bush/Cheney administration fascist because I remember when liberals used to call them that too

No, they weren't. Nor is DeSantis, just for the record.

Donald Trump is, though.

They represent a fascist, or a minimum Neo authoritarian party, so I beg to differ.

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Pushing socially conservative policies is not the same thing as fascism

Many of these "social conservative policies" that desantis has conjured-up from Hell, are, in a general sense, Fascist. Thus the term sticks.

Do not confuse the wannabe fascist with facts.

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Trump lawyer Alina Habba also was not feeling well.

Won't she face any consequences for lying to the judge to delay the trial?

https://twitter.com/SwissWatchGuy/status/1750286571889168885

This is abominable. If I or any attorney I know pulled something like this they'd be racked up for contempt so damn fast

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Remember when I called this a nothing burger, and everyone got furious about it?

Tell me, how many minds has this case changed?

A woman was raped but I guess you are ok with that.

That’s not what I meant, and you know that.

Considering your long posting history of supporting or defending the most reprehensible disgusting Concepts imaginable, no, we do not know that.

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I will hope and pray this could help us get Haley . So I give a thumbs up to the verdict

Please. A jury finds Trump simply liable for sexually assaulting Gene Carroll and the GOP rallies around him overwhelmingly. You really think a jury award finding he liable her for calling her a liar about it is going to move a single one of the Neanderthals who support Trump?

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So there is a question here. Will the publicity from Gene Carroll's attorneys garnishing and placing liens on Trump's property create such a bad impression that it's worth posting the bond to appeal this decision and get it out of the headlines until quite possibly after the election? Or Will trump just follow his near half century long practice of trying to stiff people money and force them to try to go to court to collect it? Different situation here where they actually have a judgment against him instead contractors, lenders, Etc being faced with having to face mountains of litigation from his lawyers and accept dimes on the dollar.

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Trump posts nearly $92 million bond in E. Jean Carroll defamation case

Former President Donald Trump has posted a $91.63 million bond as he appeals the judgment against him in the E. Jean Carroll defamation case.

The notice of Trump’s bond and appeal was made with the federal court in New York on Friday.

In January, a federal jury awarded Carroll $83.3 million in damages as a result of Trump’s defamatory statements denying he raped her, saying she wasn’t his type, and accusing her of making up the allegation to boost sales of her book.

Insurance company Chubb underwrote the bond for Trump, which the former president signed on Tuesday. Under the terms of the bond, Chubb will only secure the appeal of the $83.3 million judgment, not any future appeals.

The bond size is greater than the judgment because the district court generally requires a party to post 110% of the bond.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/08/politics/trump-carroll-83-million-defamation-bond-appeal/index.html

Politically wise. Most soft Trump supporters are resigned to/excuse his crooked business dealings, but seeing judgment executed for a sexual assault is a bazooka even for them.