Catholic bishops this week will discuss if Biden qualifies for Communion.

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That's exactly what the most reactionary factions in the episcopate do want--a smaller, "purer", wholeheartedly right-wing and nationalist American Church. It suits the ideological fancies of most American journalists as well--both conservative Catholic journalists who share these bishops' views and secular liberal journalists who are hostile to the Church--which is why the USCCB can release vague draft documents with generalized, unobjectionable (to Catholics) language about "Eucharistic consistency" and rest assured that everyone from WaPo to LifeSiteNews will report them as the crass lib-owning they're not-so-secretly intended as.

But don't the types who post on the LifeSiteNews comment section also think the church hierarchy are "sissies" for not including the red baseball cap as part of their vestments?

M e h. The type you're describing are a vocal but tiny minority. There is a substantial share of the Catholic hierarchy, and not a few of its rank-and-file parishioners, for who Nathan has hit the nail on the head in describing

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Catholicism is a joke

Battista Minola 1616 isn’t going to like this post lol.

To be fair, I think that all religions are jokes to some extent, but Catholicism is particularly egregious considering that Martin Luther exposed the Catholic Church of being run by blatant grifters trying to get rich off of selling “salvation,” yet it’s still one of the most widespread religions to this day. Not to mention that a lot of the Popes, who are supposed to be the most holy and devout Catholics of their era, have proven to be some of the most ghoulish figures in history

In defense of Catholicism, more than a little has changed even within that hidebound archaic institution the last five hundred plus years.

Don't get me wrong. I left the Catholic Church for a theologically progressive Protestant sect over the American Catholic hierarchy since assistance on enforcing the rules of manmade tradition rather than the gospel Christ. However, it is silly to assert that all practicing Catholics are fools because the church is allegedly the exact same as when Luther nailed his Treatise to a church door half a millennia ago

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I don't see the issue with Bishops being Catholic and following Catholic doctrine.

Because The Bishop's enforcement and definition of so-called Catholic Doctrine is selective as hell.

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I don't see the issue with Bishops being Catholic and following Catholic doctrine.

Because The Bishop's enforcement and definition of so-called Catholic Doctrine is selective as hell.

I mean, IIRC abortion is seen as considerably worse than what Republicans are doing.  There's also the issue that the Catholic Church used to support the death penalty, but never supported abortion.

Unfortunately that's simply empirically incorrect. I can tell you both first-hand following the church's progression both when I was Catholic and has a formula that the church has always always always always whispered its opposition towards miserly anti-christian government policy set screw the poor and contract efforts of social justice of peace, while bellowing from megaphone conservative partisan issues like abortion, gay marriage, and euthanasia. If they were truly even handed or even close to it such subjects, I could respect the church a heck of a lot more at night I can I can well, no, four Bears theological issues still wouldn't - - be a member of the church. But they really have been absolutely happy with this double standard which is according to the preachings of Jesus himself, theologically unsound as hell for the last 40 years. Frankly, when we use the church's doctrinal history goes back Centuries with only brief periods of Reform. But that's another subject.

Also, more fundamentally when one looks at the current makeup of regular churchgoers and its primary donors, if the American Bishops or anywhere near as even-handed in their condemnation of policies that defy Jesus's teachings about the poor and the outcast situations like a portion of homosexuality, the pews on Sunday and, even more importantly, American churches bank accounts, would be markedly diminished.

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I don't see the issue with Bishops being Catholic and following Catholic doctrine.

Because The Bishop's enforcement and definition of so-called Catholic Doctrine is selective as hell.

I mean, IIRC abortion is seen as considerably worse than what Republicans are doing.  There's also the issue that the Catholic Church used to support the death penalty, but never supported abortion.

Unfortunately that's simply empirically incorrect. I can tell you both first-hand following the church's progression both when I was Catholic and has a formula that the church has always always always always whispered its opposition towards miserly anti-christian government policy set screw the poor and contract efforts of social justice of peace, while bellowing from megaphone conservative partisan issues like abortion, gay marriage, and euthanasia. If they were truly even handed or even close to it such subjects, I could respect the church a heck of a lot more at night I can I can well, no, four Bears theological issues still wouldn't - - be a member of the church. But they really have been absolutely happy with this double standard which is according to the preachings of Jesus himself, theologically unsound as hell for the last 40 years. Frankly, when we use the church's doctrinal history goes back Centuries with only brief periods of Reform. But that's another subject.

Also, more fundamentally when one looks at the current makeup of regular churchgoers and its primary donors, if the American Bishops or anywhere near as even-handed in their condemnation of policies that defy Jesus's teachings about the poor and the outcast situations like a portion of homosexuality, the pews on Sunday and, even more importantly, American churches bank accounts, would be markedly diminished.

But if the Catholic Church is right about abortion, then it's the most evil thing happening in America today.  How could anything else come close to it?

Because they're not? Furthermore, if the words of a guy named Jesus means anything to the faith, then its monomania on the subject is completely unfounded.

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I don't see the issue with Bishops being Catholic and following Catholic doctrine.

Because The Bishop's enforcement and definition of so-called Catholic Doctrine is selective as hell.

I mean, IIRC abortion is seen as considerably worse than what Republicans are doing.  There's also the issue that the Catholic Church used to support the death penalty, but never supported abortion.

Unfortunately that's simply empirically incorrect. I can tell you both first-hand following the church's progression both when I was Catholic and has a formula that the church has always always always always whispered its opposition towards miserly anti-christian government policy set screw the poor and contract efforts of social justice of peace, while bellowing from megaphone conservative partisan issues like abortion, gay marriage, and euthanasia. If they were truly even handed or even close to it such subjects, I could respect the church a heck of a lot more at night I can I can well, no, four Bears theological issues still wouldn't - - be a member of the church. But they really have been absolutely happy with this double standard which is according to the preachings of Jesus himself, theologically unsound as hell for the last 40 years. Frankly, when we use the church's doctrinal history goes back Centuries with only brief periods of Reform. But that's another subject.

Also, more fundamentally when one looks at the current makeup of regular churchgoers and its primary donors, if the American Bishops or anywhere near as even-handed in their condemnation of policies that defy Jesus's teachings about the poor and the outcast situations like a portion of homosexuality, the pews on Sunday and, even more importantly, American churches bank accounts, would be markedly diminished.

But if the Catholic Church is right about abortion, then it's the most evil thing happening in America today.  How could anything else come close to it?

Considering how the abortion rate very noticeably decreased under Clinton and Obama, unlike Trump and the Bushes, someone who believes that really needs to be voting for Democratic presidents.

It is a near certainty that there will be fewer abortions in America between 2021 and 2024 than there would have been had Trump been reelected.

Maybe because Republicans took control of a lot of state legislatures and passed abortion restrictions?

Because they're not? Furthermore, if the words of a guy named Jesus means anything to the faith, then its monomania on the subject is completely unfounded.

If the Catholic Church is right, then hundreds of thousands of people are being murdered legally every year.

If the Catholic Church equates microbes the size of a fingernail as "people", then yes. I'm hardly heartless to the concept of a fertilized Zygarde being a "baby", having held such views when I was a teenager. However, when one equates the six-figure death toll each year due to inadequate Health Care in this country as documented by such Publications as the Harvard medical School Journal, as well as tens of thousands of as a direct or indirect cause of poverty, the American Catholic hierarchy position of support of abortion legalization movie of denial of the most sacred and fundamental rite abortion within the church, but Bruce Lee money worshipping policies regarding caring for the poor, the sick, and fighting for social justice being readily Remedy by throwing an extra fiver in the poor box, such hypocrisy is not worthy of respect or not being called out for anything other than rank insertion of The Bishop's personal patriarchal views into church teaching as it is.

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I don't see the issue with Bishops being Catholic and following Catholic doctrine.

Because The Bishop's enforcement and definition of so-called Catholic Doctrine is selective as hell.

I mean, IIRC abortion is seen as considerably worse than what Republicans are doing.  There's also the issue that the Catholic Church used to support the death penalty, but never supported abortion.

Unfortunately that's simply empirically incorrect. I can tell you both first-hand following the church's progression both when I was Catholic and has a formula that the church has always always always always whispered its opposition towards miserly anti-christian government policy set screw the poor and contract efforts of social justice of peace, while bellowing from megaphone conservative partisan issues like abortion, gay marriage, and euthanasia. If they were truly even handed or even close to it such subjects, I could respect the church a heck of a lot more at night I can I can well, no, four Bears theological issues still wouldn't - - be a member of the church. But they really have been absolutely happy with this double standard which is according to the preachings of Jesus himself, theologically unsound as hell for the last 40 years. Frankly, when we use the church's doctrinal history goes back Centuries with only brief periods of Reform. But that's another subject.

Also, more fundamentally when one looks at the current makeup of regular churchgoers and its primary donors, if the American Bishops or anywhere near as even-handed in their condemnation of policies that defy Jesus's teachings about the poor and the outcast situations like a portion of homosexuality, the pews on Sunday and, even more importantly, American churches bank accounts, would be markedly diminished.

But if the Catholic Church is right about abortion, then it's the most evil thing happening in America today.  How could anything else come close to it?

Considering how the abortion rate very noticeably decreased under Clinton and Obama, unlike Trump and the Bushes, someone who believes that really needs to be voting for Democratic presidents.

It is a near certainty that there will be fewer abortions in America between 2021 and 2024 than there would have been had Trump been reelected.

Maybe because Republicans took control of a lot of state legislatures and passed abortion restrictions?

Because they're not? Furthermore, if the words of a guy named Jesus means anything to the faith, then its monomania on the subject is completely unfounded.

If the Catholic Church is right, then hundreds of thousands of people are being murdered legally every year.

If the Catholic Church equates microbes the size of a fingernail as "people", then yes. I'm hardly heartless to the concept of a fertilized Zygarde being a "baby", having held such views when I was a teenager. However, when one equates the six-figure death toll each year due to inadequate Health Care in this country as documented by such Publications as the Harvard medical School Journal, as well as tens of thousands of as a direct or indirect cause of poverty, the American Catholic hierarchy position of support of abortion legalization movie of denial of the most sacred and fundamental rite abortion within the church, but Bruce Lee money worshipping policies regarding caring for the poor, the sick, and fighting for social justice being readily Remedy by throwing an extra fiver in the poor box, such hypocrisy is not worthy of respect or not being called out for anything other than rank insertion of The Bishop's personal patriarchal views into church teaching as it is.

Oh, and damn near every sociological and scientific survey Under the Sun demonstrates that isn't restricted so much by laws mandating that doctors are rang patience with Morningstar baby wolf hatem if they go through with the procedure, but rather parents having economic and social safety nets to ensure they can afford to raise their child. Admittedly, and your second is geographical proximity of abortion services oh, but those are not largely controlled by state legislatures.

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I don't see the issue with Bishops being Catholic and following Catholic doctrine.

Because The Bishop's enforcement and definition of so-called Catholic Doctrine is selective as hell.

I mean, IIRC abortion is seen as considerably worse than what Republicans are doing.  There's also the issue that the Catholic Church used to support the death penalty, but never supported abortion.

Unfortunately that's simply empirically incorrect. I can tell you both first-hand following the church's progression both when I was Catholic and has a formula that the church has always always always always whispered its opposition towards miserly anti-christian government policy set screw the poor and contract efforts of social justice of peace, while bellowing from megaphone conservative partisan issues like abortion, gay marriage, and euthanasia. If they were truly even handed or even close to it such subjects, I could respect the church a heck of a lot more at night I can I can well, no, four Bears theological issues still wouldn't - - be a member of the church. But they really have been absolutely happy with this double standard which is according to the preachings of Jesus himself, theologically unsound as hell for the last 40 years. Frankly, when we use the church's doctrinal history goes back Centuries with only brief periods of Reform. But that's another subject.

Also, more fundamentally when one looks at the current makeup of regular churchgoers and its primary donors, if the American Bishops or anywhere near as even-handed in their condemnation of policies that defy Jesus's teachings about the poor and the outcast situations like a portion of homosexuality, the pews on Sunday and, even more importantly, American churches bank accounts, would be markedly diminished.

But if the Catholic Church is right about abortion, then it's the most evil thing happening in America today.  How could anything else come close to it?

     Nothing could, of course. The people drawing an equivalence don't follow Catholic priorities, so their complaints of alleged hypocrisy merely amount to a difference in moral compasses. The bishops don't prioritize their opinions, nor should they.

The absolute hell they don't. One could argue that the prioritization of their opinions is Justified on such and such grounds. But to argue that they don't prioritize their opinions on certain issues more than others it is flat-out two plus two equals five factually incorrect.

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Any religious person who would deny someone else a part in their religion  is not actually religious.

I do not believe in God. Should I be able to "take part" in the Catholic faith?

I don't need to because the Anglicans will accept me

That’s a reasonable answer if you take the question literally but not as it was intended to be taken.

Why not? As I understand it, opposition to abortion and supporting the "sanctity of human life" is a very important part of Catholicism.

Because it is by no means the soul or arguably the most important part of Catholic Doctrine, even though the American Bishops and hierarchy treat abortion as such, with homosexuality and euthanasia close seconds and thirds.

Simply put, there's a pretty damned obvious gap between teachings of Jesus versus the priorities of the hierarchy. One can argue about the importance of abortion, but the absolute pre-eminent litmus test been made by the hierarchy is rather devoid of biblical or even historical basis when one looks in the early Church's position on abortion. This is simply put a heavily conservative patriarchy instituting what at the end of the day is their own personal views of what is most important in Catholicism. Granted, that's not an entirely unrelated do their jobs as Bishops of the church, but let's not pretend that there isn't more than a little hypocrisy and cherry-picking on the hierarchies part.

Cafeteria Catholics the right wing parishioners and clergy like to complain about are very much present on the politically and theologically conservative end of the spectrum, just as they are on the left. It's simply that Conservative Catholics don't see the distinction when their choice of what dishes they prefer and don't is nevertheless just as Stark

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Any religious person who would deny someone else a part in their religion is not actually religious.

     This is a severe misunderstanding of the Catholic position. They are not excluding Biden, but calling him to repent for his own good. Unfortunately Americans have an entirely alien dialectic concerning communion, so the Catholic rationale is lost on the people.

I call b*******. This action threatened by the Bishops is 100% stick and 0% carrot. Let's not play games in pretending otherwise