Trump/Putin disaster summit. And also overseas visit w/ NATO & UK.

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https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1018889984667889664

Maybe I'm taking this analogy too literally, but what did Trump do that compared to "giving away the secret of radar? I get he disgraced himself over siding with Putin over America's intelligence services, but did he give away intelligence assets in the process like he blithely did in that Oval Office meeting with Russian diplomats?

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I can understand that trumps disgraceful Behavior won't change any of these Republicans views on abortion, immigration, the Supreme Court, taxes, Etc. This is why they are Republicans after all.

However, bare minimum they could, and absolutely should, do actual in-depth and truly bipartisan Congressional investigate into Russian collusion, rather than attempting to whitewash the matter as the house intelligence committee tried to do, or otherwise seeking to score political points weakening Robert Mueller's investigation as pediat hijinks from last week sought to do.

 however, because that will ultimately weaken the quest towards restricting abortion rights, weakening rhaetian reform, training greater tax write-offs for the wealthy, Etc, they will do no more than this finger swag. They may abhor Trump's Behavior, but they will never do anything to politically we can him and thus the. So-called Higher Goals.

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Sad state of affairs; I'd vote to impeach

Somewhat shocked by this response.

As am I, but I commend him for saying so.

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Every person who voted for Trump in 2016 and still supports him today despite this event is now a traitor to the country.

lol

Yeah, that's quite hyperbolic. The truth is that the blue avatars are vapid, useful idiots... but not traitors.

Agreed. Honestly even though I’m as outraged as he is I’m close to putting Special k on ignore

I'm dismayed by Trump's performance today, and Trump isn't being as firm towards Russia as he should be, but accusing him (and tens of millions of Americans) of treason over this is ridiculous. We are not at war with Russia.

You don't have to be officially "at war" with another nation (like Russia) in order to commit treason.

Treason as defined by the Constitution:

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

This is the strict Constitutional definition, and though I don't approve of Trump's behavior at the meeting with Putin, I think that the claims of him being a traitor are way overblown. Many of the same individuals who are accusing Trump of treason are the same ones who wish for his impeachment. And of course, I am aware that former President Obama had to deal with the same sort of thing from those in the Republican base. But either way, it is overblown and out of proportion to the situation at hand.

Just because some Republicans wanted Obama impeached and now some Democrats want Trump impeached does NOT mean they had equally (in)valid claims for doing so. Whataboutism will only carry an argument so far.

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Newt!

https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/status/1018967261418344450

Somewhat of a neutral comment on this outrageous incident, but still good enough (I guess).

Newt is merely signaling "WALK IT BACK, DONALD!! WALK IT BAAAACCKK!!!!!"

Nothing more, nothing less.

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Every person who voted for Trump in 2016 and still supports him today despite this event is now a traitor to the country.

lol

Yeah, that's quite hyperbolic. The truth is that the blue avatars are vapid, useful idiots... but not traitors.

Agreed. Honestly even though I’m as outraged as he is I’m close to putting Special k on ignore

I'm dismayed by Trump's performance today, and Trump isn't being as firm towards Russia as he should be, but accusing him (and tens of millions of Americans) of treason over this is ridiculous. We are not at war with Russia.

You don't have to be officially "at war" with another nation (like Russia) in order to commit treason.

Treason as defined by the Constitution:

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

This is the strict Constitutional definition, and though I don't approve of Trump's behavior at the meeting with Putin, I think that the claims of him being a traitor are way overblown. Many of the same individuals who are accusing Trump of treason are the same ones who wish for his impeachment. And of course, I am aware that former President Obama had to deal with the same sort of thing from those in the Republican base. But either way, it is overblown and out of proportion to the situation at hand.

Just because some Republicans wanted Obama impeached and now some Democrats want Trump impeached does NOT mean they had equally (in)valid claims for doing so. Whataboutism will only carry an argument so far.

Whataboutism? I was merely stating that both sides have engaged in this kind of rhetoric, and I don't condone such calls until we have legitimate proof that Trump himself engaged in collusion or in unlawful, criminal acts. Yes, many individuals have been indicted, pleaded guilty, or are facing criminal charges. But until it is demonstrably proven that Trump himself committed an impeachable offense, I will not support these calls.

Yes, our intelligence agencies' united unswerving opinion that Putin interfered in the US election, the fact our own intelligence agencies uniformly considered him to be compromised by the Kremlin, combined with numerous indictments and guilty pleas from the Mueller investigation, Trump's established covering evidence by demanding "loyalty" from Comey when discussing the investigation, and now his publicly refuting our nation's intelligence agencies in favor of the KGB's assessment, etc. etc. etc. etc. are ABSOLUTELY the same as the "rhetoric" far right wingers raised for impeachment because--well, basically because they didn't like him.

And in your mind because a jury has not yet convicted Trump beyond a reasonable doubt, you find the two "comparable".

Yes, dude, this is the textbook definition of whataboutism. As are a majority of your posts for that matter.

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Putin is apparently doing interviews with Fox News now

OMG, I thought you were kidding.
Is that happening now? Was there any info that they were going to do this?

Or is this suddenly planned damage control to protect their most valuable asset?

Seriously, I wonder how much Putin will go out of his way to defend Trump as "tough" or "a competitor', etc.

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Every person who voted for Trump in 2016 and still supports him today despite this event is now a traitor to the country.

lol

Yeah, that's quite hyperbolic. The truth is that the blue avatars are vapid, useful idiots... but not traitors.

Agreed. Honestly even though I’m as outraged as he is I’m close to putting Special k on ignore

I'm dismayed by Trump's performance today, and Trump isn't being as firm towards Russia as he should be, but accusing him (and tens of millions of Americans) of treason over this is ridiculous. We are not at war with Russia.

You don't have to be officially "at war" with another nation (like Russia) in order to commit treason.

Treason as defined by the Constitution:

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

This is the strict Constitutional definition, and though I don't approve of Trump's behavior at the meeting with Putin, I think that the claims of him being a traitor are way overblown. Many of the same individuals who are accusing Trump of treason are the same ones who wish for his impeachment. And of course, I am aware that former President Obama had to deal with the same sort of thing from those in the Republican base. But either way, it is overblown and out of proportion to the situation at hand.

Just because some Republicans wanted Obama impeached and now some Democrats want Trump impeached does NOT mean they had equally (in)valid claims for doing so. Whataboutism will only carry an argument so far.

Whataboutism? I was merely stating that both sides have engaged in this kind of rhetoric, and I don't condone such calls until we have legitimate proof that Trump himself engaged in collusion or in unlawful, criminal acts. Yes, many individuals have been indicted, pleaded guilty, or are facing criminal charges. But until it is demonstrably proven that Trump himself committed an impeachable offense, I will not support these calls.

Yes, our intelligence agencies' united unswerving opinion that Putin interfered in the US election, the fact our own intelligence agencies uniformly considered him to be compromised by the Kremlin, combined with numerous indictments and guilty pleas from the Mueller investigation, Trump's established covering evidence by demanding "loyalty" from Comey when discussing the investigation, and now his publicly refuting our nation's intelligence agencies in favor of the KGB's assessment, etc. etc. etc. etc. are ABSOLUTELY the same as the "rhetoric" far right wingers raised for impeachment because--well, basically because they didn't like him.

And in your mind because a jury has not yet convicted Trump beyond a reasonable doubt, you find the two "comparable".

Yes, dude, this is the textbook definition of whataboutism. As are a majority of your posts for that matter.

Fine. I don't have to deal with this anymore. I am also adding you to my ignore list. It grows longer and longer.

For that? I'm hardly heartbroken, but man alive are you ever a wimp.

With skin and feefees that delicate, I'm sure your iggy list grows exponentially by the day.

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All of this putting people on ignore is pretty silly.  Man up, people!

When people are insulting you, you shouldn't have to put up with it. And I rather put people on ignore then get into long and drawn out arguments with them. I've had too many of those during my time on the Internet.

You have an extremely broad, not to mention laughable oversensitive, definition of the word "insult".

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All of this putting people on ignore is pretty silly.  Man up, people!

“Man up” is a sexist expression and you should be ashamed of yourself. On my ignore list you go, patriarchal pig.

"Pig" is a demeaning insult.  I'll ignore you too.

I've officially been triggered by both of your porcine-insensitive labeling. IGNORE!

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If Obama had done this he would have been sent to the guillotine, not impeached.

Sir, how dare you imply that trumpets are grossly hypocritical in their application of morals and ethics? What do you have to prove this other than literally the past 10 years of History?

Good day sir!

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What the hell will this be about?
Is the Orange Traitor going to scream at those Pubs who verbally chastised him today?
Is it just a Pub meeting or both parties?
Interesting.

That’s how you know it’s bad.

Prediction. Trump will walk back some of his statements, say some nice things about his confidence in the American intelligence Services which no one but his cultists think he really believes, until the next time he criticizes them in which case the intelligence Services had it coming. Republican Congress leaders will Express their concern over the president's Hasty remarks blah blah blah but we are supporting it all behind NATO.

In other words, it is 8 Band-Aid for the biggest cell phone the president has inflicted since Charlottesville. They'll give him some scripted lines to read until the next time he f**** up. The Republican Congressional leadership won't like it, but they understand that actually going full-bore on investigations into Russian collusion and Trump's finances will only slow down there top priority of fellating the uber wealthy.

After all, why investigate High crimes and disloyalty by the president of the United States when it might interfere in knocking bat environmental regulations and appointing more right-wing federal judges? Are you crazy?!?