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Question: Should Biden and Putin agree to end the Ukraine war as a stalemate?
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All Along The Watchtower
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« on: September 30, 2023, 05:18:50 PM »
« edited: September 30, 2023, 05:27:28 PM by All Along The Watchtower »

ur goal should be victory for Ukraine, and we should give whatever aid is necessary to achieve that goal.  I guarantee that the US military believes Ukraine can win if given the proper resources, so I agree with you that we should give Ukraine what the US military thinks it needs to win. If we had done that from the start, there would be a lot more living Ukrainian civilians right now and Ukraine would be far closer to ending this war (if it hadn't already).  We should correct this ongoing mistake as soon as possible.  There is no excuse for Ukraine to not be 100% covered with anti-missile systems this is a great failure of the west.

Define "the start." And regardless, the real issues are:

- on the Ukrainian side, deep and longstanding political divisions that have been reduced/suppressed since February 2022 but aren't gone with the exception of pro-Russian sentiment, the country having been stuck with a Soviet-era military that simply can't be turned into into one that operates many modern American systems within the space of a couple of years, and longstanding corruption (again, many such cases in former Soviet republics, not least of which is Russia itself of course) which makes military preparedness and competence challenging---something that the Russians have also had to confront, and apparently to a much greater extent.

It's a real credit to the Ukrainians (and conversely, a real embarrassment for the Russians) that they've fought so well thus far, and have continued to learn rapidly and thus improve---to say nothing of their conventional military not collapsing like almost everyone had expected once the war started, including the US and other NATO governments; preparations were being made to support an insurgency against the expected Russian invasion (which we were already doing a little bit in the Donbas).

- on the NATO side, each country generally wanting to keep their best military stuff to themselves, so there's that. And as for the US, besides our own military needs, we have our treaty allies (alongside our non-treaty allies, e.g. our problematic friends in the Middle East) to whom we sell a lot of weapons and to whom we plan to sell more---especially to our Asian allies against China. Oh, and don't forget about domestic political support within the US and our NATO allies. You know, that whole democracy thing.

Lotta factors, and it can get pretty messy!
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