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Question: Republicans/Conservatives: How do you feel about democracy?
#1
Swiss-style direct democracy or greater (R/R-leaning)
 
#2
Mantain but with some changes (Includes stricter or looser voter ID but nothing that would rig elections or prevent anyone from voting)
 
#3
We need less (Autocracy but still holds elections that are likely rigged and/or disenfranchises certain populations; R/R-leaning)
 
#4
Democracy is overrated, read some Aristotle (R/R-leaning)
 
#5
Democracy is overrated, read some Aristotle (D/D-leaning)
 
#6
We need less (Autocracy but still holds elections that are likely rigged and/or disenfranchises certain populations; D/D-leaning)
 
#7
Mantain (Includes stricter or looser voter ID but nothing that would rig elections or prevent anyone from voting) (D/d-leaning
 
#8
Swiss-style direct democracy or greater (D/D-leaning)
 
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Total Voters: 52

Author Topic: How do you feel about democracy?  (Read 2607 times)
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« on: November 11, 2021, 03:53:37 PM »

The short answer is that we need "more democracy", but not in the way in which "more democracy" is traditionally understood.

We emphatically do NOT need to give people more things to vote on. In fact we should probably significantly reduce the number of things people vote on. Direct democracy and the direct election of all sorts of public offices such a judges and cabinet officials in the United States has been an abject failure. It's made government worse on every level, and hasn't empowered citizens in any meaningful way - it's just made it easier for moneyed interests to sway policies to their advantage. Admittedly sometimes it's led to good outcomes (like minimum wage hikes and redistricting commissions) but on the whole it's clearly a failed experiment.

We certainly should make voting more accessible (and even mandatory, ideally, if that could be implemented without negative side-effects). The biggest scandal of American democracy is how few people vote. There are many complex reasons for that, but at least some of the most obvious barriers should obviously be lifted. But beyond how many people vote, there are more fundamental questions we should start asking about how they vote, and how to make the connection between votes and outcomes more tangible to voters. The problem at the core of American democracy is that there's no meaningful connection between the kind of policies voters want and the kind of representation they get. It gets to an almost comical degree where the most #populist Purple heart politicians are those who support the policies most antithetical to the average voter's values and interests. Solving this fundamental problem is an incredibly thorny issue, and I don't have one clear answer. It probably requires changing both the ways in which people vote (for example moving toward a PR system that more accurately reflects the pluralism of US society), as well as changing the broader environment (notably, the informational environment) in which voters make their choices.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,401
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2021, 06:30:37 PM »

I stand by my previously stated position that democracy was a mistake.

Wow, you are such a uniquely intelligent individual for arriving at this conclusion. Clearly this remarkable intellect qualifies you as one of the chosen few who ought to rule over the unwashed masses.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,401
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2021, 06:05:55 AM »

I stand by my previously stated position that democracy was a mistake.

Wow, you are such a uniquely intelligent individual for arriving at this conclusion. Clearly this remarkable intellect qualifies you as one of the chosen few who ought to rule over the unwashed masses.

Imagine being so triggered over a statement that wasn't even directed towards you.

Call it triggered if you want. I'm just perpetually astounded at the sheer lack of self-awareness required to make these kinds of comments.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,401
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2021, 06:09:21 PM »

I stand by my previously stated position that democracy was a mistake.

Wow, you are such a uniquely intelligent individual for arriving at this conclusion. Clearly this remarkable intellect qualifies you as one of the chosen few who ought to rule over the unwashed masses.

Imagine being so triggered over a statement that wasn't even directed towards you.

Call it triggered if you want. I'm just perpetually astounded at the sheer lack of self-awareness required to make these kinds of comments.

It's cute that you aren't bothering to reply the same to anyone else here that has since made similar posts.

You mean, the one other person? Who posted after I had already replied to you? lol, obviously I'm not going to repeat what I already said, but the sentiment applies to him too of course.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,401
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2022, 06:50:34 PM »

Where's the Dictatorship of the Proletariat option?

"Dictatorship of the proletariat" as Marx intended it just means democracy.

"Dictatorship of the proletariat" as Lenin/Stalin/Mao etc. intended it just means dictatorship of Lenin/Stalin/Mao etc.
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