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Question: See above
#1
Yes (Catholic)
 
#2
Yes (Non-Catholic Christian)
 
#3
Yes (Non-Christian)
 
#4
No, but some individual Catholics are Christians in spite of the Catholic Church
 
#5
No, and no individual Catholics are Christians/are saved
 
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Antonio the Sixth
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« on: January 05, 2021, 02:12:44 PM »

ayy lmao
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2021, 05:11:13 PM »

Could I please ask those who disagree with my conclusion to at least engage with my points?

I think SlamDunk and RFayette did that enough?

I don't know enough to pinpoint an exact date, but, at some point (and I would guess it happened very gradually as to be unnoticeable to the average person), the Catholic Church got so wrapped up in its rituals, traditions, and church history as to put that on the same level as the scripture itself.

This really seems like some lame way to handwave your feelings about the Church. And why should this make it 'not Christian'?

In fact, they truly reject a "sola scriptura" viewpoint in favor of relying on church tradition. That really reminds me of the Pharisees from Jesus's day.

See Nathan's comment.

To be fair I didn't really engage with his posts meaningfully, I just said that his understanding of intercession is incomplete.

And that his idea that any time we pray an intermediary to God is required is wrong. But yeah, I guess I hyperbolized a bit, that's certainly not everything that could be said.

Some ideas are ridiculous enough that they don't deserve substantive engagement. I'd say "You're not a Christian unless you worship Christ like I do!" is in that category.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Posts: 58,365
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Political Matrix
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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2021, 03:45:20 PM »

From my perspective as a seriously religious non-Christian in the United States, I can say that the proportion of people I interact with (outside of my own religious group) who are meaningfully religious is vanishingly small. Consequently my default assumption until proven otherwise is that anyone who claims to be religious, particularly in a political context, is simply doing so for cultural or political reasons and in fact lacks any sort of real religious belief that I would find worthy of respect.

Yeah, the thing about the modern phenomenon of religious conservatism is that it's not actually about sincere faith-based moral stances on public policy, but it's all about identity politics for a certain brand of White Americans. There is very little actual religious content to it, and it's obvious if you look at the detail of their rhetoric that they engage in ridiculous mental gymnastics to twist Christian doctrine into the narrow box of post-Reagan conservative orthodoxy. Which is what makes Dule's obsession with debunking it with Facts&Logic(TM) so misguided: that was never the point to begin with.
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