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Antonio the Sixth
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« on: September 13, 2022, 09:44:47 AM »
« edited: September 13, 2022, 03:46:14 PM by NUPES Enjoyer »

Putin's absurd neoimperialistic adventure is screwing over Russia's actual, dependable geopolitical allies. Absolutely despicable. I really hope Iran or other Russia-aligned forces are able and willing to give some help here. Of course the West won't, and while that's unfortunate, the blame lies squarely on Putin for this mess.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2022, 10:03:31 AM »

Edit: if Russia does nothing then, CSTO will lose a lot of credibility, but I think Russia is willing to make that sacrifice for the sake of its war in Ukraine.

It might well be willing to, but if so, that would only further demonstrate Putin's strategic ineptitude.

Russians whining about how no one wants to be their ally and everyone turns to the US instead should maybe try rubbing their two braincells together for half a second to wonder if that has anything to do with the way Russia treats its allies in times of need.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2022, 02:29:25 PM »

Please stay safe, Cathcon. Keeping you and the Armenian people in my thoughts. No one deserves to go through this.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2022, 05:54:41 AM »

It’s genuinely appalling the lack of coverage this has gotten compared to the slightest discontent between Israel-Palestine.
Well, at least you can count on Adam Schiff talking about this.


I wonder how long it'll take until we start hearing the natsec ghouls say it's okay for Azerbaijan to ethnically cleanse Armenians because Russia and Armenia are allies.

I'm seeing plenty of people saying it Armenia's fault for making a poor choice of allies, as if cutting ties with Russia would have caused the west favor them over Turkey and Azerbaijan. Then you also have the clowns who insist that Armenia needs to "accept reality" and improve relations with the country that still denies their genocide and the ethnonationist regime to their east, as if they would have been willing to do the same had they been in Armenia's position.

Yeah, blaming Armenia for this is straight-up victim-blaming and unconscionable. People with a principled view of foreign policy (admittedly not many of these people around) should really know better.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2022, 11:37:37 AM »
« Edited: September 15, 2022, 11:44:20 AM by NUPES Enjoyer »

People with a principled view of foreign policy (admittedly not many of these people around)

ok BOURGEOIS GLOBAL NORTH NEOCON LEFTIST

Pretty small subset there methinks.

It's a meme started by... I don't even remember who, probably one of the posters whose geopolitical understanding begins and ends at "America Bad", but which was then coopted by my post-ironic Zoomer friends such as discovolante Purple heart
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2022, 03:55:19 PM »

Interesting thread in r/Azerbaijan this morning asking why Armenia has better diplomacy--referring to the recent expressions of public support from France, the United States, etc. Some correctly see this as primarily rhetorical support.
Two reasons: their massive diaspora + Armenia being Christian while Azerbaijan is not.

And there's also the issue that everyone arguing in favor of Azerbaijan will be accused of being paid by them - and that their government is widely seen as authoritarian while Armenia's is not (I'd say the difference is actually a matter of degrees, but I understand how Azerbaijan's optics don't do them favors).

There's also the little factoid that Azerbaijan is clearly the one loudly gunning for genocide right now...
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