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Antonio the Sixth
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« on: December 27, 2017, 10:36:44 AM »

Luke would never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever even consider doing that. Ever.

The movie had good stuff in it, but this ruined it for me. 2 stars.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2018, 06:37:28 PM »

the "taxation to outlying star systems"?

The detail and attention given to the geopolitical (cosmopolitical?) context is by far one of the greatest and most admirable things about the prequels, and disparaging it is a surefire way of making me want to disregard any opinion you have about Star Wars.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2018, 11:26:01 AM »

the "taxation to outlying star systems"?

The detail and attention given to the geopolitical (cosmopolitical?) context is by far one of the greatest and most admirable things about the prequels, and disparaging it is a surefire way of making me want to disregard any opinion you have about Star Wars.

Agreed, though it could've been better worded and used more as background element.

Evidently establishing a context is important (the sequel trilogy is remarklably bad at this, no complaint there), but I struggle to see how the context that was established in TPM was well handled or well used. So much wasted potential...

It got a lot better in AOTC and ROTS, but it still had its issues.

That's not even the direct text from the crawl, this is: "The taxation of trade routes to outlying star systems is in dispute. ..." It very clearly shows what is happening politically in the galaxy. The ST, focuses too much on the characters and doesn't explain the development of the New Republic/Resistance and the First Order very well in-movie, although it does explain this in the new books.

Yeah, but you shouldn't have to read side-stories to get the context of what's actually going on in your main story. It really wouldn't have taken that much to give us a sense of what happened beyond "BOOM, the Republic is gone, back to square 1 except with a giant with a stupid-sounding name instead of Palpatine and an emo kid instead of Darth Vader".

As for the prequels, of course they have their own issues, but at least I can say that on paper their plot sounds very solid (arguably even better than the original). All the problems are in the execution.
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2018, 04:07:36 PM »

the "taxation to outlying star systems"?

The detail and attention given to the geopolitical (cosmopolitical?) context is by far one of the greatest and most admirable things about the prequels, and disparaging it is a surefire way of making me want to disregard any opinion you have about Star Wars.

I definitely have to agree with you there. I think that's been a major fault of the new trilogy and I think it was especially a major fault with this movie. It's more character driven as opposed to plot driven (TLJ still succeeds due to giants like Leia and Luke). In TFA, for the most part, the First Order does not seem to be particularly strong (apart from Starkiller Base). It's basically a cold war until the Hosnian system is destroyed. And yet, in TLJ, taking place virtually immediately after TFA, the New Republic and its Resistance defenders seem to be in a far worse state than the Rebellion ever was. I don't see how they get from a cold war state to one side being nearly completely decimated.

Prequel hatred irritates me because it's always the same and it's ultimately revisionist history. I read the major boards back in 2002 and 2005 for Episodes II and III. ROTS was especially crazy popular back then, a lot of people putting it on top in front of even Episode V. I think the main problem with the prequels is that Episode I is almost superfluous. A lot of Episode II probably should have been in Episode I. Even as it was though, I still really like AOTC though. I like that it builds up the Clone Wars and really sets the stage for how Palpatine was going to become absolute ruler.

I always thought that the first two prequels were clearly inferior to the originals (although not without their redeeming qualities), but that ROTS was on par with them if not better. I stand by that judgment.
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