What do you find immoral?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Death penalty, porn, fur, cloning humans.

Polygamy is not inherently immoral, but it is in the way it's practiced most of the time.

[Antonio the Sixth]

What the hell is going on with people claiming suicide is immoral? What kind of rationale are these votes based on? This is utterly ridiculous.

[Antonio the Sixth]

That's not really my point.  If you are going to ask another person to ruin their own life, there is a burden of proof on you.  For most people, "my interpretation of the Bible says so" is just a silly argument.  Would you at least admit, taking the Bible out of it, there's nothing wrong with homosexuality? 

Yes, but I would admit that for every facet of my morality from shoplifting on up through murder. If there was no God I'd be a moral nihilist.

It's hilarious how you always whine about how we supposedly portray socons unfairly, yet you manage to come up with posts that candidly summarize basically everything that's wrong with the religious right. You perfectly explained us why your political/religious views are a mark of moral depravity.

[Antonio the Sixth]

That's not really my point.  If you are going to ask another person to ruin their own life, there is a burden of proof on you.  For most people, "my interpretation of the Bible says so" is just a silly argument.  Would you at least admit, taking the Bible out of it, there's nothing wrong with homosexuality? 

Yes, but I would admit that for every facet of my morality from shoplifting on up through murder. If there was no God I'd be a moral nihilist.

It's hilarious how you always whine about how we supposedly portray socons unfairly, yet you manage to come up with posts that candidly summarize basically everything that's wrong with the religious right. You perfectly explained us why your political/religious views are a mark of moral depravity.

You are aware that without a God, we all would be moral nihilists, whether we want to be or not.

No, I'm not.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I'll just note that the position that there cannot be morality without God has a long tradition and is a legitimate viewpoint. You can disagree with it but it isn't absurd and the people who are saying so in this thread don't seem to fully grasp the concept.

It might be a legitimate viewpoint, but it is one that deeply offends my sense of morality.

[Antonio the Sixth]

What the hell is going on with people claiming suicide is immoral? What kind of rationale are these votes based on? This is utterly ridiculous.

I'd agree with you, but why do you think cloning humans (assuming no deformities or experimentation) is inherently immoral?

Maybe it's not inherently immoral, but at the very least would raise a good number of very uncomfortable issues regarding personal identity, human rights, and eugenics, and could easily devolve into something very immoral.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Now getting to my main issue: If we are random piles of atoms brought together for a tiny amount of time in some unimportant corner of the universe as the atheists assert, where does morality come from? Why isn't this all meaningless?

Because we are humans, that is the single greatest entity in the known universe. We have always successfully striven to rise about our biologic determinants and build a world according to our own principles. We created the concept of morality, through our own personal and collective reflection.

[Antonio the Sixth]

What the hell is going on with people claiming suicide is immoral? What kind of rationale are these votes based on? This is utterly ridiculous.

I'd agree with you, but why do you think cloning humans (assuming no deformities or experimentation) is inherently immoral?

Maybe it's not inherently immoral, but at the very least would raise a good number of very uncomfortable issues regarding personal identity, human rights, and eugenics, and could easily devolve into something very immoral.

I, for one, feel more or less the same way about suicide raising uncomfortable issues regarding responsibility to and for other people, although I tend to agree with DemPGH that moralizing the issue overmuch really is unhelpful.

I'd consider, though, that any responsibility one owes to their fellow is not absolute, but rather conditional to their choice to continue living. Sure, as long as you are alive, you should always remember your responsibilities toward society, take into account the effects your decisions may have on other people and try your best to respect anyone's feelings and interests. However, when it comes to the most fundamental decision of all, life or death, nobody should have a say except the individual in question. It is only fair to let absolute selfishness express itself at least in this realm.