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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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« on: January 16, 2013, 11:22:52 AM »
« edited: January 16, 2013, 11:24:29 AM by Antonio V »

VERY STRONGLY support.

Forcing someone who wants to die to remain alive is one of the most morally abominable things I can think of.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2013, 05:34:08 PM »

VERY STRONGLY support.

Forcing someone who wants to die to remain alive is one of the most morally abominable things I can think of.

What makes you think the choice will only be made by the patient?

Hum... Because that's the whole point of assisted suicide?
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2013, 02:21:50 AM »

VERY STRONGLY support.

Forcing someone who wants to die to remain alive is one of the most morally abominable things I can think of.

What makes you think the choice will only be made by the patient?

Hum... Because that's the whole point of assisted suicide?

Just like the whole point of the Iraq invasion was WMD's Roll Eyes Seriously though, there is a huge difference between theoretical law and practical reality.

The goal of the law would be making sure that this doesn't happen. If you claim the law would not be able to prevent abuses, then what's the point about a law banning assisted suicide anyway? You have to be consistent: either the law is effective or it isn't.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Posts: 58,476
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2013, 10:37:05 PM »

VERY STRONGLY support.

Forcing someone who wants to die to remain alive is one of the most morally abominable things I can think of.

What makes you think the choice will only be made by the patient?

Hum... Because that's the whole point of assisted suicide?

Just like the whole point of the Iraq invasion was WMD's Roll Eyes Seriously though, there is a huge difference between theoretical law and practical reality.

The goal of the law would be making sure that this doesn't happen. If you claim the law would not be able to prevent abuses, then what's the point about a law banning assisted suicide anyway? You have to be consistent: either the law is effective or it isn't.

The laws under which the questionable euthanasia takes place make a huge difference in effectiveness.

Which do you think is easier to differentiate in court?
1) Determining whether someone gave a fatal dose of barbituates.
2) Determining whether an elderly person was unduly influenced when they asked to die.

The 2nd one makes it almost impossible to catch problem cases in euthanasia, while the 1st one catches them by default.

I'm pretty sure there are plenty of precautions that can be taken to make sure those who want to die really want it. A good deal of paperwork and a significant waiting time should be enough. And furthermore... it's not like every single doctor and family member in this country is a sociopath, you know?
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2013, 02:02:27 PM »

I don't get it. Why aren't the doctors who performed abusive euthanasia being prosecuted? Of course regulations only make sense if there are sanctions for those who don't respect them.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2013, 07:40:33 PM »

I really don't need assistance to off myself. Thanks.

Not to be macabre but... you might need it some day. And so can I. If I even find myself not in the situation to choose how and when to end my life, I would want someone to do it on my behalf.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Posts: 58,476
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2013, 04:03:52 PM »

I really don't need assistance to off myself. Thanks.

Not to be macabre but... you might need it some day. And so can I. If I even find myself not in the situation to choose how and when to end my life, I would want someone to do it on my behalf.

That awkward moment when Antonio V gets offed despite wanting to stay alive at the time.

Oh, I'm sure it was just a clerical error. You know how Doctors sometimes accidentally overlook some paper work...

It might be that in your little conservative paranoia every single doctor is a psychopath looking for victims to kill in all impunity... But I'd rather make my decisions on rational grounds, thanks.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2013, 03:06:47 PM »

This is not name-calling. Read my post again.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2013, 06:09:33 PM »

Doctors do f[inks]uck up more than is polite to remember, of course. Human error is what it is, and there are some people in all fields who are frankly no good at their job.

But much of the problematic aspect to all of this isn't doctors so much as relatives. Which is an even less polite thought, I think.

Wouldn't relatives be generally biased in the other direction though? I'd imagine it's more likely that they refuse to let one go rather than push him to.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Posts: 58,476
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2013, 08:12:59 PM »

Doctors do f[inks]uck up more than is polite to remember, of course. Human error is what it is, and there are some people in all fields who are frankly no good at their job.

But much of the problematic aspect to all of this isn't doctors so much as relatives. Which is an even less polite thought, I think.

Wouldn't relatives be generally biased in the other direction though? I'd imagine it's more likely that they refuse to let one go rather than push him to.

I'd think so too, but it depends on what your family's like. Not everybody's relatives are as good loving people as mine or (apparently) yours.

Yeah, of course bad people do exist. And I certainly would want to do anything possible to avoid any abuses in euthanasia. Still, I think that the cases where people who want to die are unable to do so are much more frequent - and I would ever go as far as to say that such idea creeps me out much more than unwilling euthanasia.
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