UK AV Referendum Poll

[Antonio the Sixth]

To me it seems increadibly strange to use different voting systems for different levels of goverment.

France beats every country for that matter :
- Two-round FPTP for Presidential.
- Two-round FPTP (with different qualification criteria) for Parliamentaries and Cantonals.
- Proportional representation by constituencies without a threshold for Europeans.
- Proportional representation with a 10% threshold and a 25% majority bonus for Regionals.
- Proportional representation with a 10% threshold and a 50% majority bonus for Municipals, except in Paris, Lyon and Marseille.

Not to speak about Senatorials...

[Antonio the Sixth]

So tomorrow the British will decide to remain under an unfair, undemocratic, primitive electoral system. Good for them.

It's worth noting that Harper wouldn't have got a majority monday if Canada used AV.

[Antonio the Sixth]

He would've still got another minority government though. Britain and Canada need PR and AV would make both our countries representation problems worse.

We're being offered two unfair and undemocratic electoral systems, so it's a poor result no matter if there's a yes or a no.

The point of politics is picking the less worse of two options. And, in any possible way, it is absolutely impossible for anyone who dislikes FPP to dislike AV even more. It's just absolutely inconsistent.
If you find FPP very very very undemocratic, you must find AV at worst very very undemocratic. The point is that you guys only think to Nick Clegg and about punishing this damn traitor. I understand it, but it's damn immature.

AV is less proportionate than FPTP; it's making a bad problem even worse. I want STV or a genuine proportional system.

AV is neither more nor less proportional than FPP. It, however, avoids vote splitting, which is the second most hideous flaws of FPP (the first being absence of clear links between vote count and seat results, and which indeed only PR can solve).

[Antonio the Sixth]

AV is neither more or less proportional than FPP. It, however, avoids vote splitting, which is the second most hideous flaws of FPP (the first being absence of clear links between vote count and seat results, and which indeed only PR can solve).

You're assuming that votes are always for a particular political party, but in reality voting for a particular candidate can have several reasons completely independent of party.

We've discussed about this several times. Voters shouldn't vote for candidates, but for parties (and, inside the party, for one candidate, why not). One of the deepest flaws of constitutency voting is precisely that it encourage silly votes based on personality instead of policies. Parliamentary elections are about parties, period.