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StatesRights
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« on: March 09, 2004, 10:20:10 AM »

How many people did they interview? Twenty registered voters? Get real. Polls are meaningless. Yes, Kerry was in Florida yesterday, so to get a opinion on how Floridians feel about Kerry they asked a Massachusetts Yankee who moved to Florida or as she said Flawiiida. "Wez folks in Flawiiida cant wait to get Bush outta office". Yes there you go Floridas opinion from a Yankee. lol
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StatesRights
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« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2004, 10:44:53 AM »

Doesnt he have the right to run? Where in the Constitution does it say only two parties have the right to exist? If Nader wants to run, LET HIM. This is just another example of democrats wanting to suppress a free election system.
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StatesRights
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« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2004, 10:54:39 AM »

This from a man who wants a hooker to be Governor of California. lol
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StatesRights
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Posts: 31,126
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« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2004, 11:10:13 AM »

She's pretty hot I'll give you that, but laying on your back doesn't equal talent, lol.
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StatesRights
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« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2004, 11:25:02 AM »

Yes, I admit, I'm scared. Not. Terrorism and Iraq alone will win Bush the election. Etch it.
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StatesRights
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« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2004, 11:52:24 AM »

Yes, I admit, I'm scared. Not. Terrorism and Iraq alone will win Bush the election. Etch it.

I have yet to see any poll in the last year that says  that Iraq or Terrorism are the number one issues.

Ironically the states with the big targets (Illinois, New York and California) are all solid Kerry.


...sorry but Bush's ad wrapping himself in 9-11 only showed how out of touch he is. America is saying "what have you done for me lately". Elections are always decided on the 'are you better off?" factor.

...bottom line is, if consumer confidence and job security dont rise by November, then Bush is toast....period

Consumer Confidence is up over 90! Not even Clinton had that during his re-election campaign. I believe I am better off then I was under Clinton. My taxes are lower and I feel safer in the world because of his efforts against dictators and terrorists. Many people I know feel the same. I know of many old school FDR Democrats who are saying "I plan on giving Bush my 100% support in November." And this is from old school Democrats who supported FDR and JFK.
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StatesRights
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« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2004, 12:11:14 PM »

Not from Ohio or West Virginia, they are all from the south here. And Florida is not having a problem with its economy, unemployment is low and tourism is on the rebound big time. The states unemployment is below the national average.
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StatesRights
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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2004, 12:14:29 PM »

I am far from rich! But my payroll deductions are a lot lower! I make 28k a year, btw. I am working blue collar and have gotten more money back under Bush then I did with Clinton.
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StatesRights
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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2004, 02:06:32 AM »

The Fun word lol.
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StatesRights
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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2004, 02:21:54 AM »

Refer that to a democrat. They are the ones that pay bums to vote, have illegals vote, let the dead vote. lol
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StatesRights
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« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2004, 12:57:55 PM »

Roy Moore was a good man. Standing up to the Federal Govt is the proper thing to do. They had no right to remove the Ten Commandments. Show me in the constitution where it says, "Seperation of Church and State."
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StatesRights
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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2004, 02:06:49 AM »

Roy Moore was a good man. Standing up to the Federal Govt is the proper thing to do. They had no right to remove the Ten Commandments. Show me in the constitution where it says, "Seperation of Church and State."
Yeah, we should have a theocracy like Iran.  That'd be better.  
Read your first amendment "establishment of religion" would be akin to church & state being identified as one, I would think.  Semantics, statesrights, semantics.  

On a side note, the framers didn't get EVERYTHING right.  They had political issues to deal with as well.  Don't forget, Slavery was legal then.  Just because the framers wouldn't agree with current interpretations of the constitution doesn't make those interpretations wrong.

Moore's actions were in direct violation of the law, no matter how heartfelt.  While I disagree with the actions of SF's mayor on similar grounds, he had not been previously told by a court not to perform the ceremonies he endorsed, so his actions are more defensible than Moore's in my opinion.

Putting up a monument to the Ten Commandments, which is one of the modern foundations of law is hardly "Establishment" of any religion. Establishment would be Alabama saying "All citizens of the state of Alabama are here by required to worship in a baptist church and MUST show up every Sunday." Our laws are established on religious beliefs, get over it.

Interpretation? Follow it just as it says. Saying, well they meant this when they wrote this is a dangerous road to go down. Moore violated no law. The mayor of San Fran. knowingly violated the law and is continuing to taunt to state and federal government.
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StatesRights
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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2004, 02:12:05 AM »

Show me in the constitution where it says, "Seperation of Church and State."

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.."
-USC, Ammendment I

"no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States"
- USC, Article IV, Clause 3


Establishment means that the government won't found a state religion. Seperation means the govt will have nothing at all to do with any religion. The constitution never says that.

I dont think the Ten Commandments Monument is a religious test. Saying prayer in Congress isn't either.
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StatesRights
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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2004, 01:28:39 PM »

I believe he was right in disregarding the court order. He felt the so called "law" or "interpretation" is flawed. Which it is for sure. The Feds have no business in such matters, leave it to the states to decide.
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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2004, 01:49:43 AM »

The law says Civil Unions, Gay marriage whatever you want to call it is NOT allowed. Whoever preforms them is WRONG. Moore is right to disregard the court order because no law says you CAN'T put up a monument to the 10 Commandments.
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StatesRights
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« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2004, 02:17:28 AM »

I am far from rich! But my payroll deductions are a lot lower! I make 28k a year, btw. I am working blue collar and have gotten more money back under Bush then I did with Clinton.

How much money was your tax cut? How much has your share  of the national debt increased?

If Bush is just putting a tax cut on the national credit card does  this bother you?

National debt is really meaningless IMHO. Its always been there it will always be there. Its here to stay. The Govt prints its own money, no one is going to come after us for owing money.
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StatesRights
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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2004, 10:04:36 AM »

But it doesn't have to be here to stay.  I pay my debts.  I bet you do too.  So should our great country.  I know everybody bitched about Reagan's spending into the red.  But I admit, in terms of forcing the Soviet to spend so much and throw themselves off kilter, we showed the world the power of the dollar.  But the world already knew the power of the dollar!  In fact, that's why those Talibaan bastards are frustrated.  I'm just saying that you can't keep running up the tab.  Ever had a big bartender come after you with a bat?  I haven't either.  And I don't want to.

All I'm saying is that I recognize that it is a point of contention in the GOP, and in the electorate in general, that the Fed is printing too much money.  Sure, it grows on trees, but the real value of a dollar can only be worth as much as our total Gross Domestic Product.  And I'm certainly not a protectionist, but we have to consider our severe reliance on foreign labor and foreign capital.  We do need to discuss things rationally, for the good of my family and yours.

I won't mention taxation because I suspect we probably agree on that.  There's a paradox.  I guess we'll just have to cut spending.  But on what then?  I suppose that's how the elections are normally decided.  Maybe not this year though...


Eight Hundred dollar toilet seats dont help. lol If we cut foreign aid I bet we could save a bunch of dough to.
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StatesRights
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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2004, 10:20:34 AM »

And if the people of Alabama say they want it, then they have every right to keep it.
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