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pbrower2a
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« on: December 19, 2018, 12:13:28 PM »

His very left-wing social agenda, some of which was defeated in courts.  But, he was probably the first president who fully embraced the idea of America as a post-Christian nation and went all-in on secular, left-wing values.

America never was a Christian nation

That's the principle that we disagree on.  I don't think the government should force adherence to any religion, but our laws should absolutely have a basis in Christian values.

How profoundly against the letter and spirit of the founding fathers ideals.

"Separation of church and state" is not in the Constitution.  The first amendment only protects religion from government's interference, but does not protect the government from religion's influence.  No faithful Christian would be willing to say "Jesus, look away" when they were voting on a piece of legislation.  Christians must take Christ with them everywhere they go.

It is also up to Christians to decide for themselves, ideally upon understanding what Jesus had to say, what Christianity means to them. Prosperity gospel? That isn't what I think after reading the Sermon on the Mount. I see a responsibility of Christians to give comfort and dignity to the poor.  It is essential that Christians reject anything hostile to Jesus' teachings, including intolerance against Christians (ISIS offends all sorts of religions, so Christian opposition to ISIS is liberal in nature).

Most of the dispute between liberalism and 'conservative' Christianity is on sex and gender. Many of the problems that we now face result from people lacking a moral compass.
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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2018, 08:28:06 AM »

His foreign policy was largely dictated by a personal animus against Netanyahu and nearly caused massive long-term problems for US security in the region.
What else is different in the alternate universe you live in, apart from Obama not backing Israel to the hilt for nearly 99% of his term?

In the eyes of Zionists, anyone who thinks that Palestinians must be treated as human beings is considered an anti-semite.

The number of Palestinians who fled the 'Zionist Entity' is about the same as the number of Jews who left Arab countries for Israel. If Palestinians are doing less well in Arab countries than Jews from Arab countries are doing in Israel, then that says something unflattering about Arab countries that have sought to return such Palestinians to a Judenrein Palestine. Israel has no problem with assimilation between the mostly-Sephardic Jews from the Arab world with descendants of the German- and Yiddish- speaking Ashkenazim who practically founded Israel and established it as a refuge for Jews who could either find no safety in Europe or could get along solely by abandoning Judaism.

Most Arab states have determined that Palestinians are not in the same national classification of themselves even if they are born to the grandchildren of Palestinian Arabs who left the Palestinian mandate seventy or more years ago. The problem isn't that Israel isn't theirs; the problem is that they are not accepted as part of the Arab country in which they live. Such people may have been more welcome in the United States, a truly secular society that does not use (except in pathological exceptions) religion as a division between 'legitimate' Americans and others. Consider that Jews in Israel have made little claim to want to take back large sections of such a city as Vilnius that had a vibrant Jewish community before the Great Satan conquered it in 1941 and soon afterward started killing the Jews.

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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2018, 09:00:01 AM »

Obama wasnt a socialist, he was from machine politics and was endorsed by New Democrat Mayor Daley, whose father was part of the more conservative wing of the Democratic party.

Boehner refused to reform entitlements like Paul Ryan and rather focus on repeal and replace Obama care

Truth be told, the Chicago machine wanted him out of Chicago as quickly as possible. If he had stayed in Chicago he would have been a reformer who would call for integrity in politics; if he went the prosecutor route he would have been a rackets-busting DA who got crooked politicians sent to prison. He was far safer to all concerned as a State Senator who would go onto the national scene.

That was a good judgment on their part. The Chicago Machine preferred Rod Blagojevich as Governor. It got Blagojevich as Governor, much to the worse.
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