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pbrower2a
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« on: November 23, 2013, 11:38:36 AM »

Realllllly gold news, everyone in Wisconsin has known this since 2009.

Question.  Why did he leave college?  I did a cursory search before I posted because I initially assumed there was perhaps some hard scrabble story behind it which would kind of justify it.  But after reading an apparently factually incorrect Time article I noticed the comments section filled with people from Wisconsin saying he was kicked out at some point either for cheating (his GPA was 2.59) or breaking some campus campaign rule multiple times.  Any insight?

With a 2.59 GPA even from a great college your first post-college job is likely to be the sort that you could have taken is one that requires at most a high-school diploma -- like retail sales, fast food, or factory work.

If he got kicked out for cheating in a college election.. that portends something, doesn't it? "Winning at all costs" implies that one eventually debases the object that one wins, which explains why the IOOC takes away medals from people who get caught cheating with performance-enhancing drugs. Sure, Vince Lombardi may have said "Winning isn't everything -- it's the only thing", but by all accounts he did not cheat.

Scott Walker has shown himself an abrasive, ruthless character. Even with brilliance that would make him at best a new Richard Nixon, and at worst...

I look at his abrasive anti-intellectualism directed at degreed professionals. Schoolteachers may not be the models of top brains, but any community that wants to keep from becoming a cheap-labor community had better invest in education. Walker wants to proletarize the middle class so that they can be economic peers of the working poor... and so that he can get huge support from people who can profit from Wisconsin as a place of Third World pay and working conditions.  If he would do that to Wisconsin, he would do that to America.   
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« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2013, 09:40:11 AM »

Bush proved that you can get a prestigious degree just by being well connected, so who really cares?

Lol he got a Harvard MBA.  They don't just hand those things house because you have an important last name.

It could also be that an MBA is completely irrelevant to political leadership. Contemporary models of management offer no understanding of human nature other than the boss-subordinate model in which the boss has all the power and the subordinate has only the right to resign. We have largely elected attorneys, whose training as a rule is very generalist. Attorneys must understand human nature in ways that scientists, engineers, surgeons, and accountants don't even if such people are just as intelligent as attorneys on the whole. Even military men know the limitations of managerial power.

Dubya may be the last MBA grad that we have for President for a very long time. We are more likely to elect a Professor of German Literature as President than an MBA.

The last non-college President was Harry Truman. But as an exception he explains the rule. He was much more erudite than the average. He never quit learning. As the one who had read every book in the local library around 1900 he is the sort of person who would get offers too good to refuse from first-rate universities, and he would do well. he would probably go to law school and finish very high in the standings. A solid high-school education was a rarity a century ago (a high-school education became the norm in America only during the Great Depression), let alone college.     

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Scott Walker is not Harry Truman. Of course a bachelor's degree no longer means what it used to. (But know well: many of the people with college degrees a century ago were clergy who got inexpensive education of little value in any other career). The bulk of college degrees a century ago were still heavily from Ivy League with a smattering of degrees from land-grant colleges that had not bloated into the educational behemoths that they now are (like the Universities of California, Florida, Michigan, and Texas). Real intellectual  curiosity has not expanded as much as the university system has expanded.

Scott Walker is one of those kiss-up, kick-down leaders who might get something done but does so at great cost to any good will. He has shown much resentment of degreed professionals who fail to 'know their places'  in a New Order in which most people suffer for the greed of commercial elites who see their own indulgence and personal power as the sole measure of social virtue. He can appeal to people who resent having had their grammar corrected in the presence of other students -- the GOP is very good at exploiting resentment by the working poor toward the American intelligentsia. But what can that achieve?

Scott Walker could be the Knight in Shining Armor for those powerful people who believe that their greed and economic cruelty aren't appreciated adequately for their efficacy. He might also offend those middle-class types who know that those economic elites have no use for them.

   
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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2013, 03:44:39 PM »

At one time one excused people without diplomas if those people had dropped out to meet some family need not of their making (such as the death of a breadwinner father in an industrial accident). Such might still be excused for immigrants who so did in another country due to economic distress in the family. We have Social Security Disability and Death payments to make dropping out of high school unnecessary.

The GED is now considered the equivalent that anyone can seek at some time in adulthood if one did not complete conventional high school.  About everyone is expected to have two or three spare hours in a week to dedicate to getting a GED if such is necessary.

People drop out of college for many different reasons. One is that one is simply not college material and finds the effort not worth it. One is that parental aid dries up or that one's family goes into distress. A college dropout is still generally more valuable to an employer of low-skilled employees because one often shows some intellectual refinement that distinguishes one in some menial jobs.   
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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2013, 02:03:46 PM »

Even if we were to grant that this reflects poorly on Walker (and I don't think it does), many Presidents have done things in their youths that wouldn't exactly make them role models (notably drug usage). Obama's cocaine usage should have disqualified him, right?

Lol!  Wut?

What planet are you living on?  No US president is going to get dinged on the world stage simply because he tried a little nose candy when he was a teenager.

And they shouldn't, and don't, which is good.

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lol at your talk about his "behaviour" and "bizarre deficit", as if not getting a college degree is some kind of criminal or scandalous action.

Are you completely illiterate or did you just simply not read my post?

It is not scandalous to drop out of college. If one can't get anything out of college  (even if it is 'only' finding meaning in life or finding a desirable spouse) then dropping out of college isn't so bad.  Many people find that they have a better chance in life by becoming fast-food managers than by taking the high-risk, high-reward trajectory of going for one of the more lucrative professions. Many who have spent three years majoring in early-elementary education discover that they can't stand small children and might as well become secretaries or tool-and-die makers.

Such people may not be the sorts that we want as leaders. They may be full of resentments toward degreed professionals -- which is likely to result in bad policy decisions intended to $crew such people politically on behalf of well-heeled puppeteers. Scott Walker is much like that. The problem isn't that he is 'stupid' (he likely isn't) -- it is instead that he seeks to destroy or degrade a large part of the American middle class on behalf of people who long for a return for the Gilded Age with its 75-hour workweeks and 40-year lifespans for industrial workers.

Note well that Wisconsin was long known for a good educational system that prepared youth well for a prosperous economy. Have you ever been in Wisconsin? You would not live there for the climate and the scenery. It's the sort of place where working people and the middle class must do well economically to be happy. One needs three wardrobes for the sharp seasons, good insulation in the living space, and in view of the fire-and-ice climate, adequate funds for winter heating and summer air conditioning.

Scott Walker is qualified; we are free to elect an idiot, a madman, or even a criminal to public office, let alone someone with huge flaws as a politician. In view of his beliefs he is the sort of pol who as President who would inspire riots an mass protests practically from his first day of office. If he is as abrasive toward foreigners as he is to the American intelligentsia, then he is the sort who could weaken about every alliance that America has. He would be a disaster  -- a reprise of Dubya, only worse.   
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« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2014, 09:22:08 PM »

Such people may not be the sorts that we want as leaders. They may be full of resentments toward degreed professionals -- which is likely to result in bad policy decisions intended to $crew such people politically on behalf of well-heeled puppeteers. Scott Walker is much like that. The problem isn't that he is 'stupid' (he likely isn't) -- it is instead that he seeks to destroy or degrade a large part of the American middle class on behalf of people who long for a return for the Gilded Age with its 75-hour workweeks and 40-year lifespans for industrial workers.
Ha ha. First, you talked about resentment towards people with degrees as if it were a bad thing - as if policy decisions against them were ipso facto bad policy decisions. People without degrees may disagree.

Second, the GOP longs for "75-hour workweeks and 40-year lifespans for industrial workers"?

How would you know otherwise? That's how things were in the era of early capitalism about 125 years ago.  I see the arguments for abolishing the minimum wage, privatizing Social Security and Medicare, destroying unions so that workers can be "free" to work unpaid shifts on behalf of employers free to fire them for refusing to work those shifts.

 

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Nobody says anything about frock coats and top hats as evidence of corporate evil anymore.

A few people owning everything -- that's how things were in Russia a century ago. How did that work out?
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« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2014, 10:27:28 AM »

High-school dropouts aren't much of the electorate anymore.
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