Alabama Megathread 2: Thou Shall Not Touch Teenage Girls

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The outcome of this race has always pointed in Moore's direction. That being said, I don't think today is December 12. And the tone of this thread is perpetually toxic "on many sides." The Oscar predictions forum I post on is less catty than this, and awards prognosticators are already roundly insane.

Are you a member of OscarGuy's forum?

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Just when you thought it couldn't get more insane:

Roy Moore co-authored legal course that argues women should not be permitted to run for office

It's like he's trying to lose the female vote two-to-one.

When Michelle Bachmann ran for president, I remember that some journalist who covered the Republican primary encountered many Republican women who said that they liked her and her politics, but wouldn't vote for her because "women aren't capable of being president".

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From what I've seen, Allred's refusal to allow a neutral third party to examine the yearbook and confirm if it is or is not Moore's handwriting has led to a lot of people doubting the accusations. There is absolutely no reason to do that if it is authentic. I think Moore will narrowly win since there's no actual confirmed evidence, Doug Jones is so liberal, and Alabama is so conservative. If Jones didn't support late term abortion, amnesty, and gun control, maybe things would be different, but his only hope is winning a slim plurality due to republican write-ins.

Your parents must be very proud they grew up a pedophilia apologist.

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you do know Kimmel is a practicing Catholic right?

Just sayin', KKK didn't consider Catholics "real Christians".

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Win or lose, Moore will still burn in hell for what he is done. And I sincerely hope that he does when it's time for judgment day. AN ELECTION AIN'T TICKET OUT OF HELL, LOL!

Again we don’t even know if what the women claimed is true.

That's what's so incredible. 95% of people on this site treat him as guilty until proven innocent (and I'm not sure they'd even accept it if he was proven innocent). I think he did date girls aged 16-18 with whom he did not have sex (according to all of those stories he was quite respectful and never went beyond kissing). Those stories all fit together soundly, however the allegation that he raped a 14 year old has him displaying an entirely different behavior towards her than is seen in any of the other cases. It also has no evidence for it besides a yearbook that the accuser's lawyer won't allow a neutral party to check for authenticity.

Moore is leading in the RCP average again. It seems most Alabama voters aren't convinced. I think he will win narrowly. After that, the Senate should demand the yearbook and check its veracity. If Moore is guilty, I hope there's enough proof to give him prison time. If he's innocent, I hope people here will stop saying "Republicans elected a pedophile."

Moore's behavior post revelations does not imply innocence. He stayed off the campaign trail for 8 days, which is incredibly suspicious behavior for an innocent man. None of the accusers gain anything by lying, other than finally gaining the chance to be heard.
 

It's incredibly suspicious that the accuser's lawyer won't allow the yearbook to be verified by a neutral third party. The notion that an accuser must automatically be believed because "she has no reason to lie" ought to have been done away with after the media ruined the lives of several innocent young men in the famous Duke Lacrosse trial with that exact attitude. I never even liked Roy Moore, but it's innocent until proven guilty, and there is no proof as of right now.

I asked before and you deplorables said nothing, so I'll ask again.
Even if we assume that Beverly Young lied, what about the seven other accusers?
What about people from that era who confirm that the guy was a known creep, harassing teen girls at the mall and their schools?
Are they all part of a giant conspiracy of gays, transgender and socialists?

[Landslide Lyndon]

Apologies if this was posted already, but Trump is hedging his bets about not campaigning for Moore by having a rally in Pensacola on Dec. 8, four days before the election.

The odds he doesn't ramble and say something nice about Moore and negative about Jones I'd say are close to 0.

http://www.pnj.com/story/news/2017/11/30/donald-trump-pensacola-campaign-alabama-special-election/911952001/

What a sniveling coward that man is.

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Josh Kraushaar @HotlineJosh
WaPo poll of #ALSEN: Jones 50, Moore 47.  Awfully consistent with the internals I've been hearing about.

https://mobile.twitter.com/hotlinejosh/status/936944294090477573

I thought Republican internals showed Moore to lose in a landslide, like the one by NRSC.

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You literally have nothing but name calling. How dare I not condemn people as guilty based on word of mouth accusations alone?

Unless of course their surname is Clinton.

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That thing about people deciding is the biggest BS copout ever. There are things that the people can't, and shouldn't, decide.
The people can't decide to legalize torture.
The people can't decide to make a crime being gay, or muslim, or black, or whatever else they don't like.
If the people of Alabama are so depraved and blinded by partisanship to decide that they are OK with pedophilia then the US senate must step up and say that they reject their decision.
But I guess that's too much to ask by people who kissed the ring of a sexual predator and turned a blind eye when a hostile foreign power meddled with the political/electoral system.

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Make no mistake: Dems are likely losing in this race because they failed to force Franken into resignation. Moore supporters who wavered initially are now seeing that Dems only care about Moore allegations because Moore is a republican, and are saying "If Franken can be in Congress, Moore can too!".

From Harry Enten on Twitter:

“FWIW, the Google Trend data suggests that Alabamans really didn't search for Al Franken at anywhere near the levels they did for Moore. Plausible it had an effect. More convinced time elapsing on Moore allegations had far greater effect”

The Franken talking point is as woke as the one about Northam losing because of Donna Brazile.

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How long ago something occurred does not make it irrelevant nor does forgiveness. And for what it's worth, his son has been arrested 9 times and is only in his 20s, so one has to wonder what was going on in that "Christian" household. Moore is a sexual predator after all...

I do not necessarily blame parents for children unless I know actual facts.

He has 3 other children, who seem to have turned out fine.

In my world I have seen very fine people who have had children go bad.

I agree with this. There's a lot a parent can do, but some people are just born terrible.

Depravity seems to go in the family.

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Big endorsements keep coming for Roy Moore.

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Lol the RNC is only going back in w/ 50k per Twitter

That doesn't even seem worth the bad PR

To be fair, Alabama is a pretty cheap state.

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Sen. Luther Strange just gave his farewell speech. Very good speech which stressed compromise and bipartisanship.

What a bunch of bull from a guy who voted 100% party line.
That's like Roy Moore talking about children safety and then going to the mall to chase underage girls.

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Not that it will change any Republican's mind, but DAMN! This guy is insane.

https://twitter.com/chrismassie/status/938833735893561350

Wanted to share a video of Roy Moore in 1997 arguing that kids commit drive-by shooting because they are taught evolution in school: "They're acting like animals because we've taught them they come from animals."

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WHAT THE FYCK IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE!!!

http://beta.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-alabama-senate-runoff-20170921-story.html

In response to a question from one of the only African Americans in the audience — who asked when Moore thought America was last "great" -- Moore acknowledged the nation's history of racial divisions, but said: "I think it was great at the time when families were united — even though we had slavery — they cared for one another…. Our families were strong, our country had a direction."

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By now you either believe Moore is a sexual predator or you don't.
Nothing is going to change any minds on that front.

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Ah, Ted Kennedy. Gets 'em every time! The perfect defense for a kiddy diddler.

Ted Kennedy!

I'm surprised they still haven't mentioned Grover Cleveland.

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Gravis is saying "big shifts" in their new poll coming out this afternoon.

Last one had Jones up 4.

Big movements my ass. More likely good ol' herding.

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Here are the results.

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Well, if she forged the whole thing then I guess all Moore has to do is to sue her for defamation and be vindicated by the courts.
Amirite?