Opinion of white Americans who started voting when Trump was on the ballot

[Schiff for Senate]

depends on whether they didn't vote by choice or because of eligibility

Probably this.

But to state the obvious, it's a wide and broad range of people, a diverse group of voters. Tough to classify such a broad group as FF or HP, and obviously some are FF's, some are HP's, and some are in between.

Still, it's clear which types of people Bronz was thinking about when he made this thread, and if it wasn't clear who he was referring to, his multiple posts thereafter clarify it. That group of people is HP on the whole.

[Schiff for Senate]

Overall a mixed bag.

Surely some came out because of Trump's boorish pride in his bigoted appeals, but others, particularly in the rust belt, came out because Trump was the first major party nominee in a long time to challenge the broadly bipartisan consensus on free trade/globalization and to call the economy rigged from the top down. Of course, Trump ended up ingratiating himself to the swamp and perpetuating it, but doesn't discount the power of his rhetoric.

Very true. I would say overall the people Bronz is talking about (older voters who didn't vote by choice until Trump came along) are HP's, but a decent number are definitely FF's with whom I can sympathise.

On which note, as another poster (or multiple posters), have said, I can understand the rationale of some Trump 2016 voters, and can even sympathise with their vote. But the Trump 2020 voters are the ones who really rankle me (especially those that still support him after the results of 2020 and Trump's reprehensible post-election behaviour).