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  Democrats, who is worse: W. Bush or Trump? (search mode)
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« on: August 17, 2022, 08:12:51 PM »

Trump for the country, Bush for the world. Edge to Bush still.

Agree with the first sentence, but not with the second.

W was better in: Showing Leadership during Crises , Dealing With Congress and was way better as a person

LOL. I agree with the other ones you listed for Dubya, but "leadership during crises?" Seriously? He showed anything but leadership. He gave the reins of power to warmongers like Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz and Donald Rumsfeld.
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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2022, 08:16:17 PM »

Trump by a mile for the damage he did to our institutions.
Trump.

Dubya did bad things, but didn't openly attack democracy in a huge and transparent way and shift his party towards doing that, even after he's gone.
Trump is the one driving American democracy towards an early grave
(excluding Iraq), the worst things Dubya did would be, like, 528th on the list of bad things Trump has done.

Agreed with all of these. And it's worth noting that while Iraq was a national disgrace, the killing of civilians in impoverished countries was hardly something new. Clinton did it, too, starving poor children in Iraq and Cuba through the sanctions, bombing civilian locations (such as a hospital in Sudan that served half the country's population) and killing countless civilians in Africa and the Middle East. As far as Iraq goes, terrible and long-lasting though it was (and Abu Ghraib and the prison torture scandal was just absolutely terrible), it still had its upsides (deposing Saddam, first and foremost).
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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2022, 08:17:53 PM »

Bush was a weakling who got dragged into war by ideologues he didn't have the ability to overrule or stand up to. Trump was a mad man who got held back by people (sometimes only barely) less constrained than him.

Imagine Trump's temperament, ignorance, and lack of interest in any serious strategy being uninhibited or actively encouraged in the same way that Bush was.

Agreed with this. I honestly think both men were restrained by other forces in the administration from exerting all their powers, but in Trump's case, those 'powers' were sometimes unconstitutional and stopping or restraining him was for the better, whereas with Bush, it was basically other Cabinet members running the White House and Bush just being a puppet (for all the "Brandon is a puppet of the Socialist Democratic agenda" talking points the cons spout), with a detrimental overall effect.
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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2022, 01:14:22 AM »

Trump for the country, Bush for the world. Edge to Bush still.

Agree with the first sentence, but not with the second.

W was better in: Showing Leadership during Crises , Dealing With Congress and was way better as a person

LOL. I agree with the other ones you listed for Dubya, but "leadership during crises?" Seriously? He showed anything but leadership. He gave the reins of power to warmongers like Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz and Donald Rumsfeld.


Ok let me rephrase this to "Uniting Our Nation during a time of crises"



Yeah, but any half-decent president (maybe not Trump, admittedly) could have done that after such a major national tragedy. And the Bush administration actually exploited the patriotic fervour and ‘rally around the flag’ effect to brand any legitimate questions or criticisms about their agenda unpatriotic, and to rush into unjustified, unnecessary, decades-long wars to ‘defend the nation’ (when the real purpose was not that at all).
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