Turns out some unions in St. Paul are f[inks]ing vile

[Schiff for Senate]

"I like unions, unless they're police unions or they challenge a requirement to take a two-years-out-of-date flu shot to keep your job. Those unions need to be extirpated."

Democrats in 2022, everybody!

It's not a flu shot. Covid has nothing to do with the flu, completely different types of viruses.

This isn't relevant. The question is whether or not we should accept employers having control over intimate healthcare decisions. I wouldn't want employers trying to mandate smoking cessation or other intrusive controls. I wouldn't want them to mandate treatments against depression either. COVID-19 is a virus so there's a negative externality if someone isn't vaccinated - someone's choice to not get vaccinated affects others. At the same time, in practice, the risk to others is pretty negligible so long as they are vaccinated so I'm not sure why we need these draconian measures.

There are other ways of encouraging vaccination, such as continuing to make vaccinations free, continued PR campaigns, and possible financial incentives, that don't involve putting a gun to the head of workers. I can see the merits of making police or firefighters getting vaccinated - they aren't any old workers - but, also, the possibility of even 1% of them deciding to quit is very, very costly.

Those cost a good amount of money that really could be put to better use. Those campaigns really need to end now - those who were going to ever get voluntarily vaccinated have gotten the shot, and anybody who hasn’t gotten it in the past year plus probably won’t be getting it. The PR campaigns have gone on for too long actually and wasted too much money. Everybody knows the shot is available and has been told enough times that they should get it. At this point, either force them to get it (vaccination mandates - not that I’m saying I necessarily support them) or accept that 99% of those currently unvaccinated will remain so, and that prolonged PR campaigns won’t convince them if they haven’t been able to do so for over a year. I can think of more than enough other things the money these PR campaigns are wasting should be spent on instead.

Vaccine mandates are an excuse for firing off workers.

If your job means anything at all to you then you should get a shot that only ensures the safety of you and those around you. Not wanting to be safe and ensure a safe workplace really seems like a strange hill for employees/unions to want to die on.

[Schiff for Senate]

"I like unions, unless they're police unions or they challenge a requirement to take a two-years-out-of-date flu shot to keep your job. Those unions need to be extirpated."

Democrats in 2022, everybody!

It's not a flu shot. Covid has nothing to do with the flu, completely different types of viruses.

This isn't relevant. The question is whether or not we should accept employers having control over intimate healthcare decisions. I wouldn't want employers trying to mandate smoking cessation or other intrusive controls. I wouldn't want them to mandate treatments against depression either. COVID-19 is a virus so there's a negative externality if someone isn't vaccinated - someone's choice to not get vaccinated affects others. At the same time, in practice, the risk to others is pretty negligible so long as they are vaccinated so I'm not sure why we need these draconian measures.

There are other ways of encouraging vaccination, such as continuing to make vaccinations free, continued PR campaigns, and possible financial incentives, that don't involve putting a gun to the head of workers. I can see the merits of making police or firefighters getting vaccinated - they aren't any old workers - but, also, the possibility of even 1% of them deciding to quit is very, very costly.

Honestly it mostly comes down to that anti-vaxxers are all complete morons who think Joe Rogan, Alex Jones or stupid Boomer Facebook memes are valid sources of medical information and we're better off without them in public positions.

Great, thank you for confirming our prior that, for people like you, "public health" isn't much more than a pretext for rooting people out of public-sector jobs if you don't like their beliefs.

If we take that now-strengthened prior and apply it to the topic of this thread, then we see that this union's actions amount to protecting their members from a witch hunt.

Thank you again for providing clarity!

Being against a safe, effective and important vaccine is not a belief - it’s a mental illness.

[Schiff for Senate]

"I like unions, unless they're police unions or they challenge a requirement to take a two-years-out-of-date flu shot to keep your job. Those unions need to be extirpated."

Democrats in 2022, everybody!

It's not a flu shot. Covid has nothing to do with the flu, completely different types of viruses.

This isn't relevant. The question is whether or not we should accept employers having control over intimate healthcare decisions. I wouldn't want employers trying to mandate smoking cessation or other intrusive controls. I wouldn't want them to mandate treatments against depression either. COVID-19 is a virus so there's a negative externality if someone isn't vaccinated - someone's choice to not get vaccinated affects others. At the same time, in practice, the risk to others is pretty negligible so long as they are vaccinated so I'm not sure why we need these draconian measures.

There are other ways of encouraging vaccination, such as continuing to make vaccinations free, continued PR campaigns, and possible financial incentives, that don't involve putting a gun to the head of workers. I can see the merits of making police or firefighters getting vaccinated - they aren't any old workers - but, also, the possibility of even 1% of them deciding to quit is very, very costly.

Honestly it mostly comes down to that anti-vaxxers are all complete morons who think Joe Rogan, Alex Jones or stupid Boomer Facebook memes are valid sources of medical information and we're better off without them in public positions.

Great, thank you for confirming our prior that, for people like you, "public health" isn't much more than a pretext for rooting people out of public-sector jobs if you don't like their beliefs.

If we take that now-strengthened prior and apply it to the topic of this thread, then we see that this union's actions amount to protecting their members from a witch hunt.

Thank you again for providing clarity!

Being against a safe, effective and important vaccine is not a belief - it’s a mental illness.

I'm definitely sane

With all due respect, we have only your word for that.

(To address the rest of your post though, the viral variant is, in fact, circulating.)

[Schiff for Senate]

This is better than most union actions

Really? Wanting a living wage and to be paid for overtime, is less virtuous a cause than not wanting to get a safe and effective vaccine to protect yourself and those around you? Republican values and priorities on full display here. They don’t want you to fight for a living wage but they do want you to fight against public safety…