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« on: January 20, 2022, 01:41:03 PM »

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I am personally in favor of lowering the filibuster bar to about 55. I think both parties are hypocrites in filibuster, and D don't have a higher moral ground.

This is true, BUT the GOP has utilized the filibuster more, and more effectively, though I obviously concede that Democrats utilized it too, particularly during the Reid years.
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« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2022, 01:42:08 PM »


I would like to apologize in advance if there so happens to be a mega thread on this particular topic on here or some other sub-forum, because I haven't seen or noticed it yet.  

A minor note, but looking at this picture, I noticed that Senate Democrats are masked and Senate Republicans are maskless. It's yet another visual reminder of how far apart the two major political parties now are.

Is every GOP senator maskless? That would be truly very sad (though I don't expect better from about 40-45 out of 50 senators).
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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2022, 01:46:05 PM »

I believe in this crazy idea that if a political party holds a majority in the legislative body that they should be able to pass legislation with that majority.

Let's be fair, Democrats have passed a good amount of legislation over the past year. But at the same time I see the case for the filibuster ending once and for all.
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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2022, 01:48:28 PM »

Good to have it on the record at least and to see that at least the other 48 are willing to blow it up. So we only need to gain 2 seats. Although that will be a pretty steep climb for this election, but maybe 2024.
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If you know the bill is dead, then you can strategically vote 'yes'. Bump that magic number north of 55 to be more accurate.

First time? Check when I started here lol. Anyone who voted to change the rule will have to justify their new change of their heart if they later want to vote not to change the rule. They know that.

This is true. I think maybe a couple of senators (1 or 2) might switch to no and come up with some weak excuse why, but the vast majority will remain consistent. Anyway, what it means is that Democrats need about 52 (to play it safe) non-Sinema and non-Manchin Democrats in the House, so 4 more (3 more if Sinema is replaced in 2024 by another Democrat).
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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2022, 01:51:30 PM »

The Senate should just be eliminated entirely.  It has produced absolutely nothing for this country in all its years its been in existence.  Its full of bloviating fools, nauseating hypocrites, and the worst politicians in America.  End it.

No, the HoR has way, way worse politicians. I don't know who the worst GOP senators are, but they're tons better than MTG, Boebart, Gosar and the like are; I don't know who the worst Democratic senators are, but they're tons better than the Squad and the like. 7/50 GOP senators voted for impeachment, 8/50 objected - and 10/211 GOP senators voted for impeachment while a whopping 139/211 objected. The House is much worse, less cordial, more extreme and more partisan. The only solid argument against the senate is that WY gets the same representation as CA despite having a sixtieth of our population.
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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2022, 01:53:43 PM »

I have to say this: abcdefu to Manchin and Sinema. They sold our party and country out.

And democracy.

Let's not overdo it. Overturning democracy is when the GOP does stuff like restrict voting rights (certain actions, like banning vote harvesting, are bad, while others aren't really 'restricting' it) and tries to overturn the results of 2020 because they can't handle defeat. This is bad but not nearly so as overturning democracy.
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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2022, 01:56:05 PM »


Why exactly is obstructionism good?

That's it then.  America is over.

Democrats will lose the midterms in a landslide and they'll lose in 2024, ushering in a point of no return for the nation.  This was our one and only chance and it failed.  We will not recover from this.

A loss for our nation's voters; a win for the party of domestic terrorism (aka the GOP).

Don't overdo it. You're starting to sound like SnowLabrador and MillenialModerate now.
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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2022, 01:56:58 PM »


I would like to apologize in advance if there so happens to be a mega thread on this particular topic on here or some other sub-forum, because I haven't seen or noticed it yet.  

A minor note, but looking at this picture, I noticed that Senate Democrats are masked and Senate Republicans are maskless. It's yet another visual reminder of how far apart the two major political parties now are.

Is every GOP senator maskless? That would be truly very sad (though I don't expect better from about 40-45 out of 50 senators).

There may have been a few who were masked, but the vast majority aren't.

Which ones, out of curiousity? (If you can tell me it'd be great, since I can't access the image on my computer, but I understand if you can't.)
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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2022, 02:08:02 PM »


I would like to apologize in advance if there so happens to be a mega thread on this particular topic on here or some other sub-forum, because I haven't seen or noticed it yet.  

A minor note, but looking at this picture, I noticed that Senate Democrats are masked and Senate Republicans are maskless. It's yet another visual reminder of how far apart the two major political parties now are.

Is every GOP senator maskless? That would be truly very sad (though I don't expect better from about 40-45 out of 50 senators).

There may have been a few who were masked, but the vast majority aren't.

Which ones, out of curiousity? (If you can tell me it'd be great, since I can't access the image on my computer, but I understand if you can't.)

I couldn't tell you, unfortunately.

Ah. Well, I'd guess maybe some of the older ones (such as maybe Shelby) and moderates like Murkowski and Collins might be, then.
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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2022, 02:13:32 PM »


I would like to apologize in advance if there so happens to be a mega thread on this particular topic on here or some other sub-forum, because I haven't seen or noticed it yet.  

A minor note, but looking at this picture, I noticed that Senate Democrats are masked and Senate Republicans are maskless. It's yet another visual reminder of how far apart the two major political parties now are.

Is every GOP senator maskless? That would be truly very sad (though I don't expect better from about 40-45 out of 50 senators).

There may have been a few who were masked, but the vast majority aren't.

Which ones, out of curiousity? (If you can tell me it'd be great, since I can't access the image on my computer, but I understand if you can't.)

I couldn't tell you, unfortunately.

Ah. Well, I'd guess maybe some of the older ones (such as maybe Shelby) and moderates like Murkowski and Collins might be, then.

Not Shelby. He's clearly visible in the picture and is unmasked. And I don't think Collins was wearing one either.

Ouch. I mean, he's in his eighties (so high risk) and retiring (so no fear of backlash from the MAGA base). Why wouldn't he? And as for Collins, she's pretty old to and has little to fear from the MAGA base, either (has to worry more about independents and moderates back in ME).
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