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« on: October 01, 2021, 11:51:21 PM »

This board seems dead, so to revive it, I'd like to have a PR America game and then subsequent legislative session (so a combination of a normal game and then something similar to Atlasia), the game would start at the end of the 2018 elections, and it would end at the 2020 elections, there would need to be coalition agreements, etc., and then the legislative part starts in January 2021. For simplicity purposes, this is going to use STV for single member districts and the current 435 member House will be preserved. The PR amendment passed in 2017 for the purposes of this game, so the current House maps are kept.


Link to map of seats currently held by the parties: https://www.270towin.com/2020-house-election/ZMeBAl5

Government:

Democratic Party (Leader: Nancy Pelosi (CA-12)): 119 seats, FalterinArc
Progressive Party (Leader: Hakeem Jeffries (NY-08)): 90 seats, CraneHusband
Blue Dog Party (Leader: Tom O'Halleran (AZ-01)): 27 seats

Opposition:

Republican Party (Leader: Kevin McCarthy (CA-23)): 124 seats
Conservative Party (Leader: Mark Meadows (NC-11)): 38 seats
Liberal Conservative Party (Leader: Cathy McMorris Rodgers (WA-05)): 37 seats, Ishan

Current leadership:

Prime Minister: Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)
Deputy Prime Minister: Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY)

Opposition:

Leader of the Opposition: Kevin McCarthy (R-CA)


So this a multi-party PR America game, also the moderate factions of each political wing have more leeway here, the starting point is basically the IRL results, with IRL caucuses being used to form the initial coalitions. Of course, there are some districts that are repped by Representatives who might not be most in line with that district's ideology, and thus a party of the same wing, but different ideology might want to target said seat. Anyways, this is an interest thread, but this is how it would work. Also the form of government is unicameral parliamentarianism.

I would like to play.

A.) Could you explain the rules a little more to me? I haven't played this thing before and don't really understand.
B.) If at all possible is there a way for me to create a centrist coalition? Or another centre-right one? If so, I'll head that, but if there's no way it can happen, then I wouldn't mind playing as the Blue Dog Coalition.
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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2021, 02:29:00 AM »

This board seems dead, so to revive it, I'd like to have a PR America game and then subsequent legislative session (so a combination of a normal game and then something similar to Atlasia), the game would start at the end of the 2018 elections, and it would end at the 2020 elections, there would need to be coalition agreements, etc., and then the legislative part starts in January 2021. For simplicity purposes, this is going to use STV for single member districts and the current 435 member House will be preserved. The PR amendment passed in 2017 for the purposes of this game, so the current House maps are kept.


Link to map of seats currently held by the parties: https://www.270towin.com/2020-house-election/ZMeBAl5

Government:

Democratic Party (Leader: Nancy Pelosi (CA-12)): 119 seats, FalterinArc
Progressive Party (Leader: Hakeem Jeffries (NY-08)): 90 seats, CraneHusband
Blue Dog Party (Leader: Tom O'Halleran (AZ-01)): 27 seats

Opposition:

Republican Party (Leader: Kevin McCarthy (CA-23)): 124 seats
Conservative Party (Leader: Mark Meadows (NC-11)): 38 seats
Liberal Conservative Party (Leader: Cathy McMorris Rodgers (WA-05)): 37 seats, Ishan

Current leadership:

Prime Minister: Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)
Deputy Prime Minister: Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY)

Opposition:

Leader of the Opposition: Kevin McCarthy (R-CA)


So this a multi-party PR America game, also the moderate factions of each political wing have more leeway here, the starting point is basically the IRL results, with IRL caucuses being used to form the initial coalitions. Of course, there are some districts that are repped by Representatives who might not be most in line with that district's ideology, and thus a party of the same wing, but different ideology might want to target said seat. Anyways, this is an interest thread, but this is how it would work. Also the form of government is unicameral parliamentarianism.

I would like to play.

A.) Could you explain the rules a little more to me? I haven't played this thing before and don't really understand.


Sure, so the way that this works is that it's a parliamentary system, meaning that the executive derives their power from the legislature. In this case, what that means is that the Prime-Minister designate must have a majority of parliament vote for confidence in them, obviously many parliamentary systems are not two party ones like our own, but instead they're multi-party systems. What this means is a Prime-Minister designate often needs the backing of multiple parties to form a government, so they will be involved in negotiations with the parties which, for the purpose of this game, should also be discussed with the GM. This process is known as government formation and for our purposes, it will be conducted via PM. This is really all you need to know for now. During government formation, parties will often demand concessions to join a coalition, this can be something as simple as depending a single policy or as complex as demanding pork for multiple MPs and extracting promises on a wide range of policies, generally the more leverage that a party has, the more concessions it can extract.

B.) If at all possible is there a way for me to create a centrist coalition? Or another centre-right one? If so, I'll head that, but if there's no way it can happen, then I wouldn't mind playing as the Blue Dog Coalition.

Well it is possible, and you can create a band of MPs (which are just the RL Congresspeople post 2018) to make that group, but it'd start at a low point in the polls and you'd be likely to lose all or most of your MPs if you don't run a good campaign (see Change UK). I'd be happy to see you as the Blue Dogs, if that's what you choose.


If I can pick any representatives from the 116th congress for my centrist party, I'll start with John Katko (R-NY), Brian Fitzpatrick (R-PA), Fred Upton (R-MI), Adam Kinzinger (R-IL), and Collin Peterson (D-MN), for now, if that's possible. And if I can include people from the 117th Congress, I'll add on Maria Elvira Salazar (R-FL).

If I can't take them, I suppose I'll just go with the Blue Dogs then.
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2021, 09:48:00 PM »

This board seems dead, so to revive it, I'd like to have a PR America game and then subsequent legislative session (so a combination of a normal game and then something similar to Atlasia), the game would start at the end of the 2018 elections, and it would end at the 2020 elections, there would need to be coalition agreements, etc., and then the legislative part starts in January 2021. For simplicity purposes, this is going to use STV for single member districts and the current 435 member House will be preserved. The PR amendment passed in 2017 for the purposes of this game, so the current House maps are kept.


Link to map of seats currently held by the parties: https://www.270towin.com/2020-house-election/ZMeBAl5

Government:

Democratic Party (Leader: Nancy Pelosi (CA-12)): 119 seats, FalterinArc
Progressive Party (Leader: Hakeem Jeffries (NY-08)): 90 seats, CraneHusband
Blue Dog Party (Leader: Tom O'Halleran (AZ-01)): 27 seats

Opposition:

Republican Party (Leader: Kevin McCarthy (CA-23)): 124 seats
Conservative Party (Leader: Mark Meadows (NC-11)): 38 seats
Liberal Conservative Party (Leader: Cathy McMorris Rodgers (WA-05)): 37 seats, Ishan

Current leadership:

Prime Minister: Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)
Deputy Prime Minister: Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY)

Opposition:

Leader of the Opposition: Kevin McCarthy (R-CA)


So this a multi-party PR America game, also the moderate factions of each political wing have more leeway here, the starting point is basically the IRL results, with IRL caucuses being used to form the initial coalitions. Of course, there are some districts that are repped by Representatives who might not be most in line with that district's ideology, and thus a party of the same wing, but different ideology might want to target said seat. Anyways, this is an interest thread, but this is how it would work. Also the form of government is unicameral parliamentarianism.

I would like to play.

A.) Could you explain the rules a little more to me? I haven't played this thing before and don't really understand.


Sure, so the way that this works is that it's a parliamentary system, meaning that the executive derives their power from the legislature. In this case, what that means is that the Prime-Minister designate must have a majority of parliament vote for confidence in them, obviously many parliamentary systems are not two party ones like our own, but instead they're multi-party systems. What this means is a Prime-Minister designate often needs the backing of multiple parties to form a government, so they will be involved in negotiations with the parties which, for the purpose of this game, should also be discussed with the GM. This process is known as government formation and for our purposes, it will be conducted via PM. This is really all you need to know for now. During government formation, parties will often demand concessions to join a coalition, this can be something as simple as depending a single policy or as complex as demanding pork for multiple MPs and extracting promises on a wide range of policies, generally the more leverage that a party has, the more concessions it can extract.

B.) If at all possible is there a way for me to create a centrist coalition? Or another centre-right one? If so, I'll head that, but if there's no way it can happen, then I wouldn't mind playing as the Blue Dog Coalition.

Well it is possible, and you can create a band of MPs (which are just the RL Congresspeople post 2018) to make that group, but it'd start at a low point in the polls and you'd be likely to lose all or most of your MPs if you don't run a good campaign (see Change UK). I'd be happy to see you as the Blue Dogs, if that's what you choose.


If I can pick any representatives from the 116th congress for my centrist party, I'll start with John Katko (R-NY), Brian Fitzpatrick (R-PA), Fred Upton (R-MI), Adam Kinzinger (R-IL), and Collin Peterson (D-MN), for now, if that's possible. And if I can include people from the 117th Congress, I'll add on Maria Elvira Salazar (R-FL).

If I can't take them, I suppose I'll just go with the Blue Dogs then.

sure you can be this centrist party, can you just come up with a name and a party leader?

The Centrist Alliance can be led by Representative Adam Kinzinger (R-IL). Can I include people who weren't in the 116th Congress but are in the 117th Congress? If so, I will add David Valadao (R-CA) and Maria Elvira Salazar (R-FL).
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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2021, 06:16:55 PM »

So when does stuff happen? Like when do we start legislating/playing/voting/politicking?
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