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« on: October 14, 2022, 02:52:08 PM »

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/12/politics/john-fetterman-medical-records-pennsylvania-senate-race/index.html

Media still hammering him. Chris Matthews asked yesterday on MSNBC whether or not Fetterman would be able to "debate on the Senate floor".

This is an albatross around his neck, despite the slim optimism on this forum. Reminds me a bit of Andrew Gillum in 2018.

Chris Matthews also compared Bernie Sanders winning the Nevada Caucus to the Nazis invading France.

And then Bernie lost, right? I might be misunderstanding your reference, but couldn't this be a data point in favor of Matthews/MSNBC momentum playing a part in bringing down a candidate?
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« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2022, 09:22:48 PM »

Breakdown from the Voice of Reason



Thanks for this. Axelrod knows Oz's team is high-fiving tonight, and Fetterman's isn't. That's the relevant part of the tweet, absent the DNC window dressing.
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« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2022, 11:21:07 AM »



It'll be interesting to see how the national media handles this moving forward.  You don't want to act as though Fetterman was at his best, but you also need to remember that he's recovering from a stroke lest you come off as being insensitive. (You as in the media, not citizenZ Tongue)  

Ditto for Team Oz.  I'm sure they'll seize on Fetterman's performance, but IMHO they need to be tactful. 

Tactful, but firm, I would say. That was a clown show that was insulting to voters. What the Dem die-hards are missing is the Fetterman campaign insisted their candidate was OK to debate, and then we all saw with our own eyes that he wasn't. If you're Oz's campaign, why wouldn't you hammer the point that if Fetterman is failing to deliver on a promise before he's even in office, what can voters expect once they put him in there?
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« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2022, 11:46:01 AM »



It'll be interesting to see how the national media handles this moving forward.  You don't want to act as though Fetterman was at his best, but you also need to remember that he's recovering from a stroke lest you come off as being insensitive. (You as in the media, not citizenZ Tongue)  

Ditto for Team Oz.  I'm sure they'll seize on Fetterman's performance, but IMHO they need to be tactful. 

Tactful, but firm, I would say. That was a clown show that was insulting to voters. What the Dem die-hards are missing is the Fetterman campaign insisted their candidate was OK to debate, and then we all saw with our own eyes that he wasn't. If you're Oz's campaign, why wouldn't you hammer the point that if Fetterman is failing to deliver on a promise before he's even in office, what can voters expect once they put him in there?

I mean, he *was* OK to debate. If it was a format where you could actually have time to answer and wasn't so chaotic in terms of pacing, but also the format was not conducive at all to someone who's recovering from a stroke - even someone who is recovering well.

It was a normal debate. Fetterman wasn't up to it. Everybody saw it.

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« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2022, 09:00:26 PM »

What I can't shake here is the implication embedded in all of the posts from our "friends" on the other side, which is that if you've had a stroke that causes aphasia, you are either disqualified from public service because it's somehow an immutable characteristic or you should retire from public life and "focus on recovery" i.e. more or less retire to nursing home. If anything horrible has ever happened to you? It's time to basically give up on life because if you do that, it helps some scumbag snake oil peddler with a R behind their name get elected to Senate.

John Fetterman is 53 years old. His brain is almost certainly in better shape than the brain of Chuck Grassley and we can expect Fetterman will be alive for much longer than Grassley will be alive. Yet we're subjected to a torrent of abuse when Grassley is effectively running as a rotting corpse. It isn't insulting to mention this about Grassley because the curse of our mortality and fragility in old age is a fact of human life - he is doomed to die sooner rather than later.

The hypocrisy and lack of self-reflection here is stunning. It is possible to hope for your candidate to win without signaling that a father with children who seems to basically be a good guy is a reprobate and also a vegetable.

You know this how?

You people keep demonstrating why this frenzied defense of Fetterman is such a turnoff. You know it's a bad situation but you think if you just talk enough, regardless of whether you know what the hell you're talking about, it will just go away.

Undecided voters don't want to hear "don't worry, his brain is fine" from someone whose basis for saying that is nothing beyond wishful thinking. They don't to hear what-about-ing about Herschel Walker or Chuck Grassley.

Undecided voters want to know why you people insisted Fetterman was ready to debate and would be fine, and he wasn't. What happened? And why should anyone believe this is the last time the Fetterman campaign will offer reassurances that turn out to be empty?
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