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Question: Looking back, do you think abortion rights advocates lost more than they gained with this decision?
#1
Democrat -Yes
 
#2
Democrat -No
 
#3
Republican -Yes
 
#4
Republican -No
 
#5
independent/third party -Yes
 
#6
independent/third party -No
 
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Total Voters: 45

Author Topic: 40th Anniversary of Roe vs. Wade Decision Legalizing Abortion  (Read 3607 times)
RIP Robert H Bork
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Junior Chimp
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« on: January 23, 2013, 08:49:42 AM »

Uh, no. Abortion has been legal in this country for 40 years! I don't see what they have "lost".

ahhh, yes, only 35% of women live in a county without an abortion doctor

Now I'm not saying that isn't a problem, especially for the dozens of women every year that this damages, but it's clearly not one of the great problems of our nation.  Like the bloated govt, prosecution of victimless crimes, corruption, political apathy, excessive debt, etc.

Why? I know I'm biased, but even from a pro-choice perspective, the question is only if the "choice" in question is legal; that is, if an abortion can be performed without penalty. The position of "oh, but it's only actually a free choice if they can walk two blocks to get one" is one that I reject. And if that were considered a problem, what would you want--force every county to have an abortion "doctor"?
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RIP Robert H Bork
officepark
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2013, 10:21:58 AM »
« Edited: January 23, 2013, 10:24:02 AM by RIP Robert H Bork »

I think the answer is no, but I do think abortion rights advocates should adjust their strategy. Publicizing stories of real abortions, working to reduce the need for abortion in non-coercive ways and then calling out 'pro-lifers' who won't cooperate to do that, and reaching out to the younger generation to lead the fight are all necessary.

The argument that abortions are "needed" (with the exception of life-of-mother) is a false premise and a red herring.
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RIP Robert H Bork
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Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,030
Czech Republic


« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2013, 10:28:59 AM »

I think the answer is no, but I do think abortion rights advocates should adjust their strategy. Publicizing stories of real abortions, working to reduce the need for abortion in non-coercive ways and then calling out 'pro-lifers' who won't cooperate to do that, and reaching out to the younger generation to lead the fight are all necessary.

The argument that abortions are "needed" (with the exception of life-of-mother) is a false premise and a red herring.

Says you. Some people believe there are multiple legitimate reasons that one might "need" an abortion.

Maybe. But it's not only a disagreement on what abortions are needed. The position of "reducing the need for abortion" is then used to justify the legality of all abortions (as if those two things are related), including those that are not considered "needed". (Unless all abortions are automatically assumed to be needed.)
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