Muslim-majority city council bans LGBTQ+ pride flags on public property

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Religion is nothing but falsehoods to add to the mental gymnastics people do every day, what society wants a segment whose minds are polluted with magical thinking to excuse nonsense.

I’m not going to say I don’t get where you’re coming from, because I absolutely do. However, given the fact that you’re a Neo-Marxist, you might want to do some self-reflection on that statement.

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These people need Christ.

(As promoted by liberal churches of course, not the Catholic or conservative evangelical version of Christ.)

Wow, thats f****** racist. Are you saying that I, a Muslim, should convert? Reported

This must be a joke?

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Anyone who thought Islam would play nice with LGBT probably also thinks wolves would play nice with hens.

Wow, I am quite disappointed. You were a poster I respected. Thats a racist statement.

But I guess Muslims are wolves attacking innocent hens right?

What race is "Muslim"?

You know that the term racism can be applied to any form of bigotry. Don't be smart

No? That’s not what racism means at all?

Aren’t you a teacher? I’d expect you to know better.

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The levels of pseudointellectualism, chauvinism, and mental gymnastics have really gone overboard this page and a half.

Have you ever taken a look at your own post history?

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I'm still waiting on you to give an example of a Muslim nation where LGBT people can live freely and openly... Provide me with one and I'll answer your question.

Muslim nation amirite

all I'm getting from this is that you can't name a Muslim country where LGBT people can live openly. There's not one. And because there's not one you decided to throw a tantrum and do a "hurr durr America bad."

The worst, most homophobic town in Utah or Mississippi is probably better for the average LGBT person than 99.9% of the Islamic world.

Also we're talking about LGBT people as a whole, not just trans people.

I’m pretty sure every single state in the country has majority support for legal gay marriage. Hell, I’m willing to wager even if limiting ourselves only to Republicans/Republican leaners, still, a majority of states would have majority support for legal gay marriage.

That wouldn’t be the case in a single Muslim-majority country.

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i truly hope the red avs don't flee this thread for greener pastures, we're having quite an enlightening conversation between different parts of the dem coalition which seems more tenuous than upon first glance

The fracture in the Democratic Party is between the John Courtney Murray Liberals and the French Lacite Liberals.


I am a John Courtney Murray Liberal. The idea of multiculturalism, multi religion, religious freedom in the traditional American Sense, as developed by the American Catholic Theologian John Courtney Murray, that what ever problems a certain group might have, that it will lessen itself over time through education, assimilation, and cooperation.

And historically speaking this has been the case, American Muslims who are more educated, who come here on worker visas ( aka concentrated in California, NY, Virginia, ) tend to be more progressive on social issues compared to less educated Muslims, like this situation, full of refugees.


Some here are French Lacite Liberals, that in order to promote progress for the vast majority of peoples, that Religion has to be removed from public life. Including Islam. And " Evangelical " Christianity. This is why some here crow on and on about the decline of Christianity in the US, and in the West as a whole.

So, as anyone who knows me well enough and has seen me talk about it before, I'm Muslim.

My attitude towards Pride flags in general is simply apathy. Bigger fish to fry, and I've never seen myself as LGBT. I'm sure there is at least one Muslim who at least  perceives themselves to be LGBT (at the very least some T), but it goes down wrongful paths to let that demographic dictate too much about the contours of this. It only empowers radicals who have the loudest voices within a numerically marginal community to control the public debate without the public having a veto.

Still, this is a warning to social liberals that pushing things too much on this front can cause backlash. Things like this could be the salvo in a changed culture war landscape in the future, so you want broad appeal. That requires discipline.

Democrats have to be a John Courtney Murray. Multicultural. Tolerance. Leave each other alone.

John Courtney Murray advanced a lot of the views he did because was a proto-neocon Cold Warrior fwiw (which isn't to say he didn't make valuable contributions; he made a ton of them and probably did more to change Catholic theology for the better than any other American Catholic), but overall I agree with you. It's dismaying to see left-wing posters making ominous noises about "supporting the burkini" (prurient framing anyway in my opinion, regardless of what position one is taking) being why French Muslims are as poorly integrated as they are, rather than, oh, say, the fact that the French state has a longstanding tradition of turobcharged centralism, with all that that implies about its approach to any cultural currents coming from outside the Paris area.

PSOL probably holds a positive opinion on the “Soviet” mindset when it comes to religion.