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Governor Sarah Palin (AK)
 
#2
Governor Bobby Jindal (LA)
 
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Fmr. Governor Mitt Romney (MA)
 
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Governor Tim Pawlenty (MN)
 
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Governor Jon Huntsman, Jr. (UT)
 
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Senator John Thune (SD)
 
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Other (please specify)
 
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Nixon in '80
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« on: November 15, 2008, 07:37:04 PM »

Of these, Romney.

Of others, possibly Gingrich or Paul/Johnson.
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Nixon in '80
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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2008, 11:34:20 PM »

Abortion, Gay Marriage for sure. That wasn't as big an issue as him just being my guy's opponent.

He did not change his position on Gay Marriage and he changed his position on Abortion years ago.  No "flip-flopping", just one admittedly changed position that was old news.  Hardly too much recent "flip-flopping".

Romney presented himself as an anti-tax candidate, even though he raised numerous taxes and "fees" while Governor of MA.

I'm not faulting him for this, mind you. His state was facing a huge budget deficit, and he did what was necessary. But he did distort his record.
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Nixon in '80
nixon1980
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E: 2.84, S: -5.39

« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2008, 04:42:24 AM »

Abortion, Gay Marriage for sure. That wasn't as big an issue as him just being my guy's opponent.
He did not change his position on Gay Marriage and he changed his position on Abortion years ago.  No "flip-flopping", just one admittedly changed position that was old news.  Hardly too much recent "flip-flopping".
Romney presented himself as an anti-tax candidate, even though he raised numerous taxes and "fees" while Governor of MA.

I'm not faulting him for this, mind you. His state was facing a huge budget deficit, and he did what was necessary. But he did distort his record.

Romney did not distort his record, he presented it honestly.  Why would he appeal to the very conservative Republican Primary electorate with parts of his record they don't like?  It's not distortion if he's not hiding anything.  When asked, he'd clarify completely.  If not, he didn't bring it up.  Kind of like Giuliani not bringing up gay marriage, abortion, or things like that.

Not to mention being a "tax cutter" shouldn't even be a political philosophy.

Alright, then, how about joining the NRA right before he began his 2008 run, even though he had previously represented himself as moderately pro-gun control.

Or federal funding for stem-cell research.

And, oh yeah, he totally did flip-flop on his supports for gay rights. Yes, this was another Senator Romney vs. Governor Romney one, fourteen years old, but it did happen.

No matter how much you love Romney now, that doesn't erase the Romney of the past.
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Nixon in '80
nixon1980
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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2008, 07:38:23 PM »

Alright, then, how about joining the NRA right before he began his 2008 run, even though he had previously represented himself as moderately pro-gun control.

Or federal funding for stem-cell research.

And, oh yeah, he totally did flip-flop on his supports for gay rights. Yes, this was another Senator Romney vs. Governor Romney one, fourteen years old, but it did happen.

No matter how much you love Romney now, that doesn't erase the Romney of the past.

I've covered all this so many times, you can practically quote any of my posts over the past year to refute these things.  Find one of those, because I'm not about to go do it again.

Romney's "flip-flops" were manufactured by his desperate opponents that knew his record was better than theirs.  The media hates him and loves McCain/Huckabee.  And there you have an unfair representation that leads even politically aware people like us to fall into the deceptive misrepresentation of Romney's views and record.  It was the media that distorted Romney's record, not Romney.

Hey, I'm not saying John McCain or Mike Huckabee "flip-flopped" any less (well, Huckabee didn't "flip-flop" as much as falsely describe himself as "fiscally conservative" and "responsible"), but the assertion that 1994's Mitt Romney and 2008's Mitt Romney were fundementally the same is ludicrous, and everybody knows it.
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