Protestors Topple Confederate Monument in North Carolina

[GeorgiaModerate]

I mentioned this in another thread but it's probably better here.  Interesting article on the history of Confederate monuments: https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/8/15/16153220/trump-confederate-statues

[GeorgiaModerate]

As long as we're talking failed regimes guilty of massive war crimes I'd like to see these get toppled too:
Lenin Statues in America
Las Vegas - outside Red Square Restaurant, Mandalay Bay Hotel - Headless
Atlantic City, New Jersey - in the Tropicana Casino
New York City - on top of the Red Square apartment building, E. Houston St. in the East Village[3]
Seattle - Fremont neighborhood (See Statue of Lenin (Seattle))
Head of Lenin, Los Angeles, California - outside a branch of the Ace Gallery, the Ace Museum, on the corner of La Brea Avenue and 4th Street.
Stalin:
A bust of Stalin is displayed at the National D-Day Memorial in Bedford, Virginia.

Lenin statues in vegas/atlantic city are probably more insulting to the man than tearing the things down would be.
Also In regards to the Op the statue at hand was put up in 1924 at a height of a KKK revival .

At least Seattle should go down then along with changes at these statues in the south - as well as Stone Mountain which was carved in 1916 by the Daughters of the Confederacy.

Stacey Abrams, a Democratic candidate for GA governor, has called for removing the Confederate faces from Stone Mountain.

[GeorgiaModerate]

As long as we're talking failed regimes guilty of massive war crimes I'd like to see these get toppled too:
Lenin Statues in America
Las Vegas - outside Red Square Restaurant, Mandalay Bay Hotel - Headless
Atlantic City, New Jersey - in the Tropicana Casino
New York City - on top of the Red Square apartment building, E. Houston St. in the East Village[3]
Seattle - Fremont neighborhood (See Statue of Lenin (Seattle))
Head of Lenin, Los Angeles, California - outside a branch of the Ace Gallery, the Ace Museum, on the corner of La Brea Avenue and 4th Street.
Stalin:
A bust of Stalin is displayed at the National D-Day Memorial in Bedford, Virginia.

Lenin statues in vegas/atlantic city are probably more insulting to the man than tearing the things down would be.
Also In regards to the Op the statue at hand was put up in 1924 at a height of a KKK revival .

At least Seattle should go down then along with changes at these statues in the south - as well as Stone Mountain which was carved in 1916 by the Daughters of the Confederacy.

Stacey Abrams, a Democratic candidate for GA governor, has called for removing the Confederate faces from Stone Mountain.

This would be one where I might have to draw a line. That's the largest bas relief sculpture in the world, and it's not exactly one you can put in a museum. Plus, that's one that really does have a notable place in American - not just Confederate history: "Let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia." I mean, I get where they're coming from, but...

It's been a while since I've been there, but these days I don't think most people go to Stone Mountain for its historical value.  It's really becoming just another amusement park.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Since we were talking about Stone Mountain earlier: KKK’s request to burn cross on Stone Mountain denied

[GeorgiaModerate]

Can we get rid of every photo of Robert Byrd while we're at it?  Please?

FDR threw an entire racial minority in concentration camps. Take his evil racist grin off the dime.

Bill Clinton had a confederate flag on his campaign buttons can we get rid of his statues.

I made this point in the other thread too, but you guys are (perhaps willfully) missing the key distinction here.  This is a false equivalence.  Yes, some good people do bad things, and some bad people do good things.  Very few people are unequivocally good or bad.  The point is that we should not be celebrating traitors as if they were heroes.  Whatever else you say about them, Lee, Jackson, etc. were declared enemies of the United States who fought to tear it apart. 

Can you agree that we should not erect statues to people who fought against this country?

[GeorgiaModerate]

Can we get rid of every photo of Robert Byrd while we're at it?  Please?

FDR threw an entire racial minority in concentration camps. Take his evil racist grin off the dime.

Bill Clinton had a confederate flag on his campaign buttons can we get rid of his statues.

I made this point in the other thread too, but you guys are (perhaps willfully) missing the key distinction here.  This is a false equivalence.  Yes, some good people do bad things, and some bad people do good things.  Very few people are unequivocally good or bad.  The point is that we should not be celebrating traitors as if they were heroes.  Whatever else you say about them, Lee, Jackson, etc. were declared enemies of the United States who fought to tear it apart. 

Can you agree that we should not erect statues to people who fought against this country?

Does that include John Brown?

Certainly.  Motivation does not excuse behavior.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Can we get rid of every photo of Robert Byrd while we're at it?  Please?

FDR threw an entire racial minority in concentration camps. Take his evil racist grin off the dime.

Bill Clinton had a confederate flag on his campaign buttons can we get rid of his statues.

I made this point in the other thread too, but you guys are (perhaps willfully) missing the key distinction here.  This is a false equivalence.  Yes, some good people do bad things, and some bad people do good things.  Very few people are unequivocally good or bad.  The point is that we should not be celebrating traitors as if they were heroes.  Whatever else you say about them, Lee, Jackson, etc. were declared enemies of the United States who fought to tear it apart.  

Can you agree that we should not erect statues to people who fought against this country?

Does that include John Brown?

Certainly.  Motivation does not excuse behavior.

Fair enough. What about the Albert Pike statue? He was a confederate but the statue is for unrelated stuff he did after the war.

Personally I'd say no, but I recognize that there might be other opinions on this one.  I'll also acknowledge that there may be individuals whose cases might merit an exception, but I stand by the statement as a guiding principle.  Any exceptions would need to be, well, exceptional.

ETA: to clarify, I mean that personally I wouldn't support a statue for Pike.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Can you agree that we should not erect statues to people who fought against this country?

There is a George Washington statue in Trafalgar Square, London. Using your logic, would the Britons be justified in tearing it down?

Sure.  But since the American Revolution and its aftermath are not nearly as divisive in the UK as the Civil War and its aftermath are in the US, I suspect the question is not likely to arise there.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Accuse me of moderate heroism all you want, but taking down statues of John Brown is perfectly reasonable in the context of venerating anti-state violence.

That does not mean we shouldn't also take down Confederate monuments, especially since so many of them were erected 60-100 years after the war and have nothing to do with "honoring the fallen"

You really want to erase the monuments of our history? This isn't about Southern heritage - this is about American history.

I have an avid interest in history. Let us leave up these monuments, not as symbols of the past in support thereof, but that we might not forget our history. Do not erase our history, good or bad. We must remember both if we wish to continue the greatness of America and put an end to the crimes of America. Our history is not one of sheer right and good, but rather a complicated one. As complicated as it might be, our history shows that the forces of evil will not long hold off the forces of good in America.  We should not, however, erase the signs of past evils.

I see your point, but a public statue of an individual is a way of celebrating them.  Would you be OK with moving them to museums?