Chilean Elections and General Discussion. Municipal and Regional elections, October 27th, 2024

[Red Velvet]

Who cares? It most likely won’t pass again and the new constitution idea will eventually be dropped after that. Which I’m not sure it should be a surprise.

I don’t really understand why you have to constantly put everything up to vote tbh. Not only it’s exhaustive to people, it really feels kinda redundant to me as an observer.

Like, if people already voted YES for a new constitution and again for who would write it, I don’t get why they needed a third vote for the final text lol. Three votes overall??? And if it doesn’t pass on the 3rd you start all over again? It never made sense to me. Not sure if it’s just me who thinks this is weird.

In the end, if a majority never agrees on the final text, it’s like the first vote asking for a new constitution will end up ignored anyway, which isn’t democratic. Great example of how constantly asking people to vote for everything is chaotic and not necessarily democratic because people’s mood constantly change depending of the circumstances. We vote for politicians so that they can make most of these choices for us?

[Red Velvet]

I may be unjust in my opinion, but Boric's speech could be summed up on this: "He talked a lot and said nothing."

So, his usual thing?

[Red Velvet]

People wanted a change in the constitution probably to be less pincohety, what they got was a wish list of ideological progressive pet causes, a lot not relevant to their daily lives, it's no surprise they voted it down, and it's clear that those that voted it down voted for right of centre parties, even if they might have voted for Boric, or for a constitutional change before

That is true, but it doesn’t change how bipolar and inconsistent the electorate can be. Which is the main reason no one puts everything up to popular consultation all the time. People elect politicians to make these choices for them.

Once the people voted YES for new constitution and picked the people they wanted to write it for them, I don’t get the point/purpose if a third vote at all, feels redundant tbh. Like you wanted to confirm the 1st vote to begin with. If they differ, which can easily happen considering how volatile and shaped by current circumstances public opinion always is, then necessarily one of the votes people had cannot be followed! Which makes no sense at all to me.

Chile is example of how the “woke” western-like left is a flop in taking the opportunity they have in hands. Everyone is kind of a flop to be fair when you have never before seen strong antigovernist dissatisfaction going on in LatAm from left and right but the Chilean left, which is more similar to the left you see in Western countries, deserves their own chapter for this story.

[Red Velvet]

All of the left kowtowed to Boric, perhaps the most disgusting person in Latin American politics today, and you expect people to just accept that even with a massive decline in living standards and government that is a diet Piñera administration?

You defended this even with massive warning early on of the massive risk of tying yourself to the BoBo.

Yes PSOL, I know you'd rather had my mum being in prison for being a communist like Kast proposed in his platform, than you very much for your deep insight.

He criticized Boric though, didn’t defend Kast?? The left didn’t necessarily had to support Boric from the start, they could’ve nominated Jadue, for instance.

It’s crazy how Chileans don’t even have bipartisan system but somehow act like they have one. Kast being awful doesn’t make Boric great.

[Red Velvet]

All of the left kowtowed to Boric, perhaps the most disgusting person in Latin American politics today, and you expect people to just accept that even with a massive decline in living standards and government that is a diet Piñera administration?

You defended this even with massive warning early on of the massive risk of tying yourself to the BoBo.

Yes PSOL, I know you'd rather had my mum being in prison for being a communist like Kast proposed in his platform, than you very much for your deep insight.

He criticized Boric though, didn’t defend Kast?? The left didn’t necessarily had to support Boric from the start, they could’ve nominated Jadue, for instance.

It’s crazy how Chileans don’t even have bipartisan system but somehow act like they have one. Kast being awful doesn’t make Boric great.

Come on. He called Boric “the most disgusting person in Latin American politics”. If you think a milquetoast guy with some disreputable friends is worse than open fascists, you don’t have your head on straight.

In power is what I understood, alongside a bit of hyperbole. Between current leaderships, Boric is alongside Lacalle Pou in Uruguay to me, but at least Lacalle Pou was expected lol

Milei if elected, soon undisputedly gets that title though.

Lula and AMLO are easily my faves.

[Red Velvet]

So Chileans want a new constitution, but they just don't want the new constitutions made by the people they voted for?

Yeah, exactly this. This one is likely bound to be even more rejected than the 1st one, since it’s being written by people who didn’t want it anyway.

Best way to understand Chileans is through cronical dissatisfaction and anti-incumbency sentiment. They don’t ever know exactly what they want, but they will have very strong opinions about what they DON’T want. And that goes even beyond internal politics tbh, they just really love to be against.

Look at their presidential electoral patters for example. The opposition ALWAYS wins and that’s even BEFORE anti-incumbency became a ~Trend of the Americas~ due to the rise of polarization and far-right populism.

[Red Velvet]

So the results of the first referendum, the first constituyente, the second referendum, the second constituyente and now the third referendum are all a decisive "get fxcked"

I still don’t understand why voters need to be asked THREE TIMES to pass one change of constitution though. Two times was enough, the third is redundant and makes no sense.

First vote - You say whether you want a constitutional change (yes/no) - ok, makes sense

Second vote - You pick the representatives who will write said constitution in case yes wins - ok, makes sense

What’s the point of a third vote to simply reaffirm what’s already implicit through both the first two votes? That vote is what it creates this never-ending loop where if voters refuse the constitution the person they picked chose, at least one referendum decision will eventually have to be disrespected.

I suppose the excess of democracy is to make sure whatever is written is the most consensual as possible? In that case just come up with a bland generic small text that all sides can be ok with and get this over with.

[Red Velvet]

Why would anyone even bother to kill old news like Piñera? lol

Accidents in regards to flying are actually quite more “common” when it comes to private jets or helicopters because the pilots often aren’t as trained or safety measures aren’t strictly followed like it happens with regular commercial flights with tons of passengers.

It’s been quite a long time I don’t hear about a commercial plane falling down but news of a private jet or helicopter going down are quite common to me. A Brazilian early presidential for the 2014 election, a supreme court minister and a Sertanejo music celebrity died after their private jets went down like that all in the last ten years.