Opinion of CentristRepublican?

[Klobmentum Mutilated Herself]

It's worse to be CentristRepublican than it is to call CentristRepublican an HP.

[Klobmentum Mutilated Herself]

With regards to trans people, honestly, I think I've clarified my view, but I can definitely appreciate how my earlier comments might've been (though not transphobic per se) unnecessary and hurtful or offensive to some, and I do want everyone to know that I don't hate or even dislike all trans people, and am not a transphobe by any means. Like I said about 'trannies,' the fault may be mine because it didn't sound like a bad slur and thus I assumed it shouldn't/wasn't that hurtful, but of course, trans people know best what a trans slur is, and if it is truly that offensive and hurtful to those being called it, then being a transgender person is probably better than calling someone tranny (since being the former doesn't hurt anyone, while saying the latter does).

You did the thing again, the non-apology thing. The rest of your post is fine but rendered moot by maintaining that your comments were not transphobic.

[Klobmentum Mutilated Herself]

You really need to learn to take what you can get.

I'd settle for that half-apology from the forum's more hateful transphobes (you're not too far excluded from that group, Dule, but that's neither here nor there) but CR is young and seems to be acting in good faith, so he can do better.

[Klobmentum Mutilated Herself]

I have never said anything hateful towards any group of people on this site, aside from a few references to Trump supporters and "the mob." The fact that I disagree with transgenders on a few things doesn't mean I "hate" them any more than my disbelief in god means I "hate" all Christians. Your comment is looney tunes.

I never said you were hateful, in fact I'll say right now that you're not. What I said was that you weren't too far removed from that group, and that if you said anything close to CR saying "trans people know better about this", I'd take it. The bigots are offensive, but they're bigots; I don't expect much from them. You're a reasonable, smart person, so when you completely diminish the existential importance that transitioning holds for trans youth — a very un-libertarian denial of the bodily autonomy of people who aren't you and aren't hurting anyone — that is, in a way, more offensive.

As I said, this is neither here nor there, so I won't be posting further about it in this thread.

[Klobmentum Mutilated Herself]

With regards to trans people, honestly, I think I've clarified my view, but I can definitely appreciate how my earlier comments might've been (though not transphobic per se) unnecessary and hurtful or offensive to some, and I do want everyone to know that I don't hate or even dislike all trans people, and am not a transphobe by any means. Like I said about 'trannies,' the fault may be mine because it didn't sound like a bad slur and thus I assumed it shouldn't/wasn't that hurtful, but of course, trans people know best what a trans slur is, and if it is truly that offensive and hurtful to those being called it, then being a transgender person is probably better than calling someone tranny (since being the former doesn't hurt anyone, while saying the latter does).

You did the thing again, the non-apology thing. The rest of your post is fine but rendered moot by maintaining that your comments were not transphobic.

'Transphobe', I think, would imply that I actively dislike or detest or despise transgenders - I don't. I may be a bit uncomfortable around them but I don't dislike them, necessarily.

What I think I did here was make a wrong assumption, and make misguided comments based on it. And to prove that I am sorry to anyone I offended - Trans Rights Are Human Rights, any other trans poster or anyone else - I genuinely apologize, since when I think about it, I was in essence saying that saying a slur is better than actually being the person the slur is being said to - which is never, ever true, no matter what the case may be. 'Trannies', I thought, didn't sound too insulting, but I am not a judge of that or what constitutes a slur; the trans community is, in this case, and if they consider it a slur, then I concur that saying that slur is worse than being the person called that slur, of course.

I accept the apology, but I do want to clarify that you can say comments that are transphobic without being a transphobic person, just like people can say racist things without being a racist, intentionally or not, and so on. To challenge a person's comment as bigoted is not necessarily to label the person as a bigot.

[Klobmentum Mutilated Herself]

Out of curiousity (don't answer if you don't want to, of course) are you yourself a trans person? Just wondering (though like I said, you don't have to answer if you'd rather not).

Yes.

[Klobmentum Mutilated Herself]

The fact that this thread has turned into yet another shouting match about the validity of gender non-conformity says a lot, I think.

I mean, I'm not sure how that's any fault of mine, given that all I've said or done on the matter is actually apologize and clarify that saying trannies is most likely worse than being a trans person.

Yeah, CR and I aren't arguing. He apologized, I clarified something about the the the apology that needed to be said and accepted it. Dule came in to mock me for making that clarification, I said my piece to him because he specifically called me out, then I bowed out of the thread because I didn't want this one to turn into another argument when the ultimate point is that CR apologized. This is only a shouting match in the sense that some people think "OMG, any mention of trans stuff is a toxic debate."

[Klobmentum Mutilated Herself]

Israel has a right to exist.

A woman has a right to an abortion. So do men and enbies.

Guns kill people.

Jan. 6 was a coup.

Rittenhouse is a murderer.

Latinx.

Russia didn't steal 2016.

Manchin will cave, or will he?

Cuomo is a rapist.

Neoliberalism is real.

Lockdowns are good.

[Klobmentum Mutilated Herself]

Uhhh, I was only making a joke continuing along this line:

Leip's Law: As long as an Atlas thread goes on, the longer the probability it will turn into a debate about transphobia, the 2020 primary, or the 2016 primary.

Not actually trying to start a discussion on those issues.