UK General Discussion: Rishecession

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Truss, or anyone who was a leading minister in March 2020, talking about how libertarian they are or wish to be is quite something to behold. It's also quite something because, unlike Covid, not having heating during cold periods is a health risk to everyone. Proportion over ideology would be welcome.

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As funny as this is, it can't go on. Graham Brady and/or a handful of cabinet members need to pull the plug.

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https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1578480177499119616?s=20&t=vF8DUm5p8jv6...

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More polling continues to put Labour above 50%:

Deltapoll:

51% Labour
26% Tories

Omnisis:

51% Labour
24% Tories

PeoplePolling:

52% Labour
20% Tories

Of the 16 polls released after the mini-budget fiasco, 9 of them have Labour at 50% or above.

The Omnisis poll is actually a slight swing back to the Tories since their last poll (Lab -4, Con +1, LD +3), so the decline at least seems to have stopped.

That looks suspiciously like MoE stuff. There's no reason why the Lib Dems would go up three points.

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I take the deeply revisionist view that Foot was the only person who could have held Labour together in those years, and allowed the 83-97 fight back to happen as it did.

Certainly an interesting take to say that Foot held Labour together.

FPTP held Labour together more than anything or anyone. But under a more combative figure than Foot things could have turned out differently, for better or worse.

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From this evening's audience:
Truss: Your majesty, it's lovely to see you again.
Charles: So you've come back again
Truss: It's a great pleasure.
Charles: Dear oh dear. Anyway...

https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1580264025648431105

I wonder if Truss has a humiliation kink. From weeks of record low poll ratings, to her cabinet nearing the point of revolt, to being openly dissed by the King in front of the cameras, how has she not stepped down yet? Most people probably would’ve called it quits by now.

I will say, you have to at least admire her mental fortitude.

She is known to be into BDSM, as a thread on this board goes into.

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Liz's approval rating has been getting the daily polling treatment over at Morning Consult and right now it stands at a comical 16-71% (-56), which I believe is her worst personal rating yet.

Being less popular than Prince Andrew is going to be one of the very few accomplishments of her premiership.

https://morningconsult.com/global-leader-approval/

I'm very out of the loop regarding British politics. Is anyone willing gimme a brief explanation as to why Truss has reached Dubya '08 approval ratings?

A disastrous budget (especially in PR terms) late last month followed by various other forms of ineptness (u-turning on certain aspects, even u-turning on u-turning, various car crash interviews). Add Truss's surreal lack of charisma and the party divisions that this has caused and you get the polling figures.

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Kwarteng is flying home early from the IMF…

No explanation has been given why he’s ’hurtling home’ (to use the BBC’s political editors wording) a day early, but he’s expected to go see Truss as soon as he’s back in London, later this morning.

There's been a lot of tracking the planes on which public figures are on recently - see the RAF plane that flew to Balmoral last month.

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Would what be the point of her continuing? This is like if Thatcher had sacked Howe for being too monetarist, and unlike Thatcher she doesn't appear to have any electoral appeal.

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This sets Hunt up to be the caretaker during a leadership election.

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https://twitter.com/breeallegretti/status/1580901884390305792?s=20&t=04iopTu...

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https://twitter.com/AlexofBrown/status/1580919543106482176?s=20&t=ktTc29Uas3...

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Check out the ratios those MPs tweeting support for Truss are getting.

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https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1580982554588762112?s=20&t=iMfHNrCY8kV6...

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Wild or maybe not wild prediction of what (some of) the cabinet will be not that long from now:

PM: Sunak
Deputy PM and Foreign Secretary: Mourdant
Chancellor: Hunt
Home Secretary: Gove
Leader of the House: JRM (a job he likely enjoys and would keep the ERG on board to some extent)
Culture Secretary: Badenoch (again, keeping the right on board)
Health Secretary: Zahawi (I think he oversaw the vaccine rollout so why not)

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Incidentally, whose bright idea was it to have a major economic statement on October 31st? Will the next one be on April 1st?

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Bingo card tip for everyone: Look out for the phrases "Graham Brady", "Liz Truss" and "Wise Counsel" in the same line over the next 24-48 hours.

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https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1581978257628753921?s=20&t=kGe3ABHYUr9O...

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So the coup has to come in the next few hours, right? Getting rid of a failed Prime Minister isn't something you want to linger on - there could always be a reason why it can't happen now - bad Vlad pressing the button or whatever.

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Dan Hodges suggesting that Brady told Truss to sling her hook in their meeting earlier.

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Those who are actually in power should have the dignity to seize it formally by installing an actual PM instead of using Truss as a meat puppet. This reeks of cowardice and the desire to avoid responsibility for enabling this maniac. Truss should have the courage to resign for her own good instead of holding onto a figurehead role that's nothing more than a poisoned chalice, a scarlet letter.

If Truss resigns within the next 80 days or so she will at least have the honour of being a pub quiz factoid for the rest of time (displacing George Canning).

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Sunak's position in the Tory Party is similar to that of Michael Portillo about twenty years ago. Both smooth media performers, both basically well to the right, both have strong bases of support but probably even more enemies. The latter point cost Portillo ever getting the leadership and may well cost Sunak ever getting it too.

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She's going to do it, it seems. At least one Conservative MP had already declared her opposition (Maria Caulfield).

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Alright, this is getting disturbing.

https://twitter.com/LOS_Fisher/status/1582424888987373568?s=20&t=_BgUTg-VWhv...

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https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1582442591861149696?s=20&t=wwlk8BhZ1...