GoFundMe seizes funds of Canadian trucker convoy

[Benjamin Frank]

Not that I mind that. It's a good thing to see the truckers fighting back against this nanny state drivel.

Canadian citizens / voters show overall support for the govermment on this when polled. We aren't libertarians up here.

Americans aren't libertarians.  They're only libertarian when it comes to placing stricter rules/laws on themselves, when it comes to placing them on 'the others' they are some of the most authoritarian people around.  The U.S, for instance, has much stricter drug laws than Canada.

Americans are libertarian is one of these myths that Americans like to believe about themselves.

[Benjamin Frank]

A couple of updates:

1.A court order was issued granting a temporary injunction against the constant honking. "Tooting a horn is not an expression of any great thought I'm aware of," said Justice Hugh McLean during a court hearing in Ottawa Monday.

2.The so called trucker protesters (mostly non truckers and mostly occupiers/terrorists) actually stopped honking their horns after the ruling.  We'll see if they continue to not do so.  

3.The so called trucker protesters have moved to some other fund raising outfit, but the city of Ottawa has applied for a state of emergency designation which would allow them to seize the assets of the 'protest' organizers.https://twitter.com/EvanLSolomon/status/1490867032069398532

[Benjamin Frank]

I guess rioting is now a part of the process now that Nationalists have bought into so-called BLM style tactics.

BLM changed the rules of civilization, and now that we know those are part of the new acceptable rules endorsed by the establishment, they are not going away. There shall be no unilateral disarmament just because people don't like it.

Well, right wingers bought the myth of these new rules, since the vast majority of BLM protests didn't involve riots or otherwise illegal acts.

[Benjamin Frank]

I guess rioting is now a part of the process now that Nationalists have bought into so-called BLM style tactics.

BLM changed the rules of civilization, and now that we know those are part of the new acceptable rules endorsed by the establishment, they are not going away. There shall be no unilateral disarmament just because people don't like it.

Well, right wingers bought the myth of these new rules, since the vast majority of BLM protests didn't involve riots or otherwise illegal acts.

Blatant lies obvious to all of us with eyes who witnessed it. Your fradulent statitistics that count 20 people protesting at a carwash on the side of the road in Long Island equal to the mass demonstrations in cities don't fool anybody but yourselves. In that case, we had many many peaceful COVID demonstrations in the Midwest last summer which outweigh this singular act. (Lotta good that did)

You personally witnessed them or you witnessed them on Fox 'News'?

[Benjamin Frank]

I guess rioting is now a part of the process now that Nationalists have bought into so-called BLM style tactics.

BLM changed the rules of civilization, and now that we know those are part of the new acceptable rules endorsed by the establishment, they are not going away. There shall be no unilateral disarmament just because people don't like it.

Well, right wingers bought the myth of these new rules, since the vast majority of BLM protests didn't involve riots or otherwise illegal acts.

Blatant lies obvious to all of us with eyes who witnessed it. Your fradulent statitistics that count 20 people protesting at a carwash on the side of the road in Long Island equal to the mass demonstrations in cities don't fool anybody but yourselves. In that case, we had many many peaceful COVID demonstrations in the Midwest last summer which outweigh this singular act. (Lotta good that did)

You personally witnessed them or you witnessed them on Fox 'News'?

I witnessed them burning down buildings in my neighborhood - fires were blazing in all directions within eyesight of my roof. The holes are still in the ground where buildings no longer stand. And this is the part of the city that actually had a defensive operation because they have to keep those of us who pay taxes around. Almost feel bad for those that don't.

How do you know these were caused by the BLM types?

[Benjamin Frank]

I guess rioting is now a part of the process now that Nationalists have bought into so-called BLM style tactics.

BLM changed the rules of civilization, and now that we know those are part of the new acceptable rules endorsed by the establishment, they are not going away. There shall be no unilateral disarmament just because people don't like it.

Well, right wingers bought the myth of these new rules, since the vast majority of BLM protests didn't involve riots or otherwise illegal acts.

Blatant lies obvious to all of us with eyes who witnessed it. Your fradulent statitistics that count 20 people protesting at a carwash on the side of the road in Long Island equal to the mass demonstrations in cities don't fool anybody but yourselves. In that case, we had many many peaceful COVID demonstrations in the Midwest last summer which outweigh this singular act. (Lotta good that did)

You personally witnessed them or you witnessed them on Fox 'News'?

I witnessed them burning down buildings in my neighborhood - fires were blazing in all directions within eyesight of my roof. The holes are still in the ground where buildings no longer stand. And this is the part of the city that actually had a defensive operation because they have to keep those of us who pay taxes around. Almost feel bad for those that don't.

How do you know these were caused by the BLM types?

Because I have eyes, as noted above, as well as ears to hear the chants. The Wikipedia article details the bare minimum and even that's quite generous to the cause. I had to flee the city.

Which wikipedia article?

[Benjamin Frank]

Which wikipedia article?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Philadelphia

Since this mess was allowed to continue without much resistance, this gave license for normal people to double down and create a society that runs exactly like that, except for their benefit instead of the hooligans'.

Blacks aren't 'normal people'?

[Benjamin Frank]

Which wikipedia article?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Philadelphia

Since this mess was allowed to continue without much resistance, this gave license for normal people to double down and create a society that runs exactly like that, except for their benefit instead of the hooligans'.

Blacks aren't 'normal people'?

Working people of all backgrounds are normal. Animals who blow up ATMs and loot luxury consumer goods to make money are hooligans. Very easy to tell the difference.

Except you said that 'normal' people now have license to do this.

[Benjamin Frank]

Which wikipedia article?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Philadelphia

Since this mess was allowed to continue without much resistance, this gave license for normal people to double down and create a society that runs exactly like that, except for their benefit instead of the hooligans'.

Blacks aren't 'normal people'?

Working people of all backgrounds are normal. Animals who blow up ATMs and loot luxury consumer goods to make money are hooligans. Very easy to tell the difference.

Except you said that 'normal' people now have license to do this.

I'm not aware of people personally benefitting themselves through illegitimate means. In fact, they took the risk of doing the opposite - sacrificing their working hours as a de facto strike without the expectation of outside support.

What they have license to do it politically targeted disruption to get what they want.

You made no mention of personal benefit or looters initially.

[Benjamin Frank]

-snip-

Fuzzy, 93% of BLM protests were peaceful, and the violent ones were not as big as you seem to think.
https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/demonstrations-political-violence-in-america-new-data-for-summer-2020/

The vast majority of demonstration events associated with the BLM movement are non-violent (see map below). In more than 93% of all demonstrations connected to the movement, demonstrators have not engaged in violence or destructive activity. Peaceful protests are reported in over 2,400 distinct locations around the country. Violent demonstrations,5 meanwhile, have been limited to fewer than 220 locations — under 10% of the areas that experienced peaceful protests. In many urban areas like Portland, Oregon, for example, which has seen sustained unrest since Floyd’s killing, violent demonstrations are largely confined to specific blocks, rather than dispersed throughout the city (CNN, 1 September 2020).

This is like the dumbest argument comparing violent riots and the efforts to lionize them to sign wavers. Your own numbers say 220 locations had riots over a 3 month period. Thats like 3 riots a day, every day, for 3 consecutive months. Are you seriously pretending thats not a big deal? I dont give a damn that there were 2,400 sign waving events. I care that mobs of criminals on 220 separate occassions over a 3 month period caused $1 billion in damage, injured thousands of cops, and murdered dozens of people while the media lied, the Dems bailed out the rioters as they claimed they didnt even exist, and the Soros prosecutors dismissed the charges.

But omg its the horn honking in canada and rubbing poop on the capitol walls thats the terrizms.

Most of this is lies.

[Benjamin Frank]

-snip-

Fuzzy, 93% of BLM protests were peaceful, and the violent ones were not as big as you seem to think.
https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/demonstrations-political-violence-in-america-new-data-for-summer-2020/

The vast majority of demonstration events associated with the BLM movement are non-violent (see map below). In more than 93% of all demonstrations connected to the movement, demonstrators have not engaged in violence or destructive activity. Peaceful protests are reported in over 2,400 distinct locations around the country. Violent demonstrations,5 meanwhile, have been limited to fewer than 220 locations — under 10% of the areas that experienced peaceful protests. In many urban areas like Portland, Oregon, for example, which has seen sustained unrest since Floyd’s killing, violent demonstrations are largely confined to specific blocks, rather than dispersed throughout the city (CNN, 1 September 2020).

This is like the dumbest argument comparing violent riots and the efforts to lionize them to sign wavers. Your own numbers say 220 locations had riots over a 3 month period. Thats like 3 riots a day, every day, for 3 consecutive months. Are you seriously pretending thats not a big deal? I dont give a damn that there were 2,400 sign waving events. I care that mobs of criminals on 220 separate occassions over a 3 month period caused $1 billion in damage, injured thousands of cops, and murdered dozens of people while the media lied, the Dems bailed out the rioters as they claimed they didnt even exist, and the Soros prosecutors dismissed the charges.

But omg its the horn honking in canada and rubbing poop on the capitol walls thats the terrizms.

Most of this is lies.

Even if Mr. Reactionary was right about half of anything he said, it doesn't matter.

WTF am i wrong about? Did you sleep through 2020 or did you just only watch CNN? Heres a goddamn citation for every damn claim. After 2020 Im not taking any lectures from Dems on riots.

https://www.axios.com/riots-cost-property-damage-276c9bcc-a455-4067-b06a-66f9db4cea9c.html

https://www.policemag.com/585160/more-than-2-000-officers-injured-in-summers-protests-and-riots

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/513902-cnn-ridiculed-for-fiery-but-mostly-peaceful-caption-with-video-of-burning

https://mobile.twitter.com/kamalaharris/status/1267555018128965643?lang=en

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-says-antifa-idea-not-025049929.html

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/10/multnomah-county-da-declines-to-prosecute-70-of-portland-protest-cases.html

From the same https://www.policemag.com/585160/more-than-2-000-officers-injured-in-summers-protests-and-riots that you linked to:


    In most cases, the criminal acts were the work of individuals or small groups that infiltrated larger demonstrations, according to the organization.

'the organization' being the Major Cities Chiefs Association.

So, no. You have not presented evidence that BLM protesters were responsible for the things you claim.  I know your reading comprehension is very poor though.

There are other problems with your post. For instance, it's be no means certain, or even likely, that all 'riots and other civil disobedience' was related to BLM protests during that time period.  There were counter protesters at many of the BLM protests who engaged in violence, and then there were often counter protesters to those counter protesters (ANTIFA.)  

So, it's far from certain that anywhere near all the violence leading to injury or death was caused by BLM protesters.

However, the main problem is you either didn't read your own link, or you didn't comprehend what it meant.

[Benjamin Frank]

You know his reading skills are fine. There’s tons of smart segregationists.

I genuinely think his reading comprehension skills are very poor.

[Benjamin Frank]

It's okay to protest if you do it my way and my way only.  Yes, Herr Justin!

https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1490885400214511620

Say what you will about the truckers, but I've never understood why Canadians continue to reelect Trudeau and his party.

Probably because Canadians generally are smarter than Americans.

[Benjamin Frank]

If that's how these arguments go, you know who else was an individual actor or small group infiltrating a larger protest? The idiots who blockaded doors of a residential building and started a fire. The other 99 percent of protestors are non violent honking.

Historically there was no way I'd be the least bit sympathetic to demonstrators like this causing a ruckus, but after everyone was so indifferent to me being in the line of danger, I can only hope the same happens to them so they know what was being cheered on.

1.To deliberately and falsely minimize the 24/7 honking is dishonest.  There is, in fact, a court injunction against it.  

In fact, it's very likely this honking is an act of torture as defined by the United Nations Convention Against Torture, Act I Part I

"For the purposes of this Convention, the term "torture" means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity."

https://www.medicaldaily.com/torture-methods-sound-how-pure-noise-can-be-used-break-you-psychologically-318638


2.Beyond that, all (100%) of these occupiers/terrorists are blocking the streets of downtown Ottawa, impeding traffic and forcing businesses to close.  This, in itself, is subject to an injunction.  Of course, it's odd to see, for instance, Fuzzy Bear stating he stands with these terrorists, when he has so frequently gone on about how he would not allow others to impede his 'ingress and egress.'  And, I know he's not the only right winger here who has previously expressed that view.

It seems, as seems to be common, that those on the right only oppose things if they don't like its use in a specific situation.  Then they will be against it on some high principle, but when they agree, they will be arguing in favor on some equally high principle.

So, no.  Even your attempt to equate this terrorism/occupation with the BLM protests fails miserably and was obviously nothing more than lazy/mindless thinking to begin with.

[Benjamin Frank]

It's okay to protest if you do it my way and my way only.  Yes, Herr Justin!

https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1490885400214511620

Say what you will about the truckers, but I've never understood why Canadians continue to reelect Trudeau and his party.

Probably because Canadians generally are smarter than Americans.

You're not a great example, then... You're not even nice.

Being nice and being smart have no relation to each other.

[Benjamin Frank]

All I can say is peak irony bruh. Hope that was your goal. Not even worth a thoughtful response to someone who has a serious dearth of logical skill. See ya when someone quotes ya maybe. But hopefully not.

I assume you were speaking to yourself.

[Benjamin Frank]

This is probably an accurate reflection of where things are in Canada.

https://twitter.com/cselley/status/1491143244360859649