How well did Biden and Trump do in counties with a military presence?

[Ancestral Republican]

Bernie Sanders led in military donations among all candidates so it's no surprise they turned hard to Biden.

I think the number one reason is that many members of the military now join for economic reasons. They see the crushing piles of education and health debts and realize putting on camo shouldn't be a requirement for getting basic things like that, especially in lower income communities where the opportunities are so limited. It's a socialist jobs and welfare program, and most people are just decent people working like any other type of job.

There are still the mouth breather/ libertarian type with the "I got mine, fook everyone else" perspective, like the barely-literate cartoon character from my high school who went to the Naval Academy (and another expensive university, costing the taxpayers probably $500,000+ right off the bat) and has been posting for the last week on Facebook about how the election was stolen, but I think that's a lower percentage than it used to be.

I don't think Trump's comments had a major effect to that degree, although a few people might have been swayed.

[Ancestral Republican]

Bernie Sanders led in military donations among all candidates so it's no surprise they turned hard to Biden.

I think the number one reason is that many members of the military now join for economic reasons. They see the crushing piles of education and health debts and realize putting on camo shouldn't be a requirement for getting basic things like that, especially in lower income communities where the opportunities are so limited. It's a socialist jobs and welfare program, and most people are just decent people working like any other type of job.

There are still the mouth breather/ libertarian type with the "I got mine, fook everyone else" perspective, like the barely-literate cartoon character from my high school who went to the Naval Academy (and another expensive university, costing the taxpayers probably $500,000+ right off the bat) and has been posting for the last week on Facebook about how the election was stolen, but I think that's a lower percentage than it used to be.

I don't think Trump's comments had a major effect to that degree, although a few people might have been swayed.

Bernie led in donations across lots of groups. Remember that map that showed like every county in America, he got the most donations?

Turns out it didn't really mean anything when it comes to votes, though.

I'm PRETTY sure given how conservative the ethos of the military generally is, and how many decades on end it's consistently voted Republican, that if Trump lost it, probably had a lot more to do with how blatantly disrespectful the man has been to them for years than that the military suddenly became socialist in four years.

Now I'm not talking about JUST the "suckers and losers" comments, but also the McCain/POW comments before them, Trump's own history of very ignoble non-service, and that's not to mention that if I was putting my life on my line for my country, I wouldn't want my Commander-in-Chief to be as erratic, unstable, and petty as Donald Trump. Seems like it may have finally reached a breaking point.

But I'm not convinced that if the Democratic nominee wasn't someone the military already knew and trusted would be fairly moderate and reasonable and prudent in his foreign policy, they would have done the same. Bernie's also called for massive cuts to military spending, which I don't think would have gone over well with them, even those who do join primarily for economic reasons.

I know a ton of people in the military who agree with cuts to military spending. Do you really think the average person cares about building yet another pointless carrier or another round of trillion dollar jet programs to benefit some congressman's home district? The only thing they care about is VA benefits and improving old facilities/housing on bases, both of which could be easily funded by cutting all the unneeded crap.