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TiltsAreUnderrated
Junior Chimp
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« on: May 22, 2020, 06:57:14 PM »

This probably belongs in the 'What ifs' board.

Assuming it was after SC, it would depend on the manner in which she dropped out. If she endorsed him, that would help the most with driving a positive news cycle for Sanders (an absolute must at that point), but even if she dropped out in a relatively non-hostile manner, it could trigger a wave of endorsements of Sanders from progressives who held out while two of their favourites were in the race. Then, the media narrative could have been 'factions pick their champions' as opposed to 'the gang unites to stop Bernie [while progressives awkwardly flail in the background]'.
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TiltsAreUnderrated
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2020, 07:12:15 PM »

It wouldn't have made as much of a difference as some think. Warren's base would've split between Biden and Bernie. A lot of them were very bitter towards the Sanders camp - at least the ones who still supported Warren by Super Tuesday.

Without an endorsement, absolutely, but Buttigieg's and Klobuchar's only broke so hard for Biden because of their endorsements and an overwhelmingly positive news cycle for Biden, among other factors (the latter also shifted non-Klobuchar/Buttigieg voters to Biden's camp). If the withdrawal from the race was at least non-hostile and led to a tranche of fresh Sanders endorsements, that could trigger a positive news cycle for Sanders, shifting some floating voters both inside and outside the Warren camp. There were Bloomberg to Sanders to Biden voters out there, and I find it hard to imagine that they were inevitably going to be Biden voters given how far and often they drifted.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2020, 07:20:24 AM »

There were Bloomberg to Sanders to Biden voters out there, and I find it hard to imagine that they were inevitably going to be Biden voters given how far and often they drifted.

Maybe there were like 10 people that fit that pattern in the entire country. But the vast, VAST majority of Bloomberg supporters (who were more of the vote in most Super Tuesday states than Warren supporters) had Biden as their second choice, FAR above Bernie. There is no scenario in which Bloomberg dropping out somehow benefits Bernie rather than Biden. Absolutely fantastical thinking. But all along, Warren's people were not nearly as positive about Sanders. After all, her coalition was essentially a blend of progressives and people loyal to the Democratic establishment (including a lot of Hillary voters still bitter over 2016). So it made sense her people would not be in lockstep behind Bernie if she dropped out, and the polls showing them about evenly split between him and Biden did not surprise me in the least.

Meanwhile, Bloomberg supporters were again overwhelmingly behind Biden over Bernie, which makes sense because Bloomberg and Bernie were basically total opposites. So if you take like 90% of Bloomberg supporters and 50% of Warren supporters and give them to Biden on Super Tuesday, it's just more of a bloodbath than it actually was. If only Warren drops out, Bernie might get a slight boost but overall the effect is negligible. If just Bloomberg drops out, still a Biden bloodbath. There is no scenario in which the tide actually turns in Sanders's favor.

Sorry, but this latest, desperate attempt at Bernie Math is just as BS as all previous attempts at Bernie Math always have been. The numbers simply were NOT on his side.

Also, Warren didn't endorse Bernie when she did drop out and she never was going to. Like in 2016, she was gonna endorse the nominee whoever that would be. Probably didn't help that Bernie's people called her a "snake" constantly, Bernie himself did nothing to temper the rhetoric of his supporters, and he apparently decided to run against her because he didn't think a woman could win. He sealed his own fate. If his ego wasn't so big and he had decided to throw his weight behind Warren all along, good chance she would be the nominee right now.

I had started off thinking this deserved a serious response, but the more this thread has gone on, the more it's clear your analysis - which I've found decent in other places - has been stunted, rather than just coloured, by jade-tinted glasses. This was supposed to be a thread to discuss 2020 hypotheticals, not dismiss them all as desperate and then relitigate It Was Her Turn in 2016.

Just going with Warren's accusation is particularly risible given it's been barely days after the Reade story emerged for (hopefully) the last time.
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