Israel-Gaza war

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You're not gonna change the mind of someone who, at best, is ambivalent to 20,000+ Palestinian civilians dying. There's no arguing that.  Plus, if you try, you'll just get a 10 paragraph response that could be shortened to "Palestinians deserve no rights or security."

You should be directing your anger at Hamas, who are the ones using Palestinians as human shields

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It would be one thing to have bombed them for a continual campagin of drone strikes and raids into Gaza to eliminate the Hamas leadership as well as a tightening of the existing blockade but the current plan of discriminate carpet bombing has no point but revenge.

There is no reason other than an emotional reaction to believe that Israel's bombings have no point but revenge.  Israel has been consistently clear from day 1 that their goal is to eliminate Hamas and to all appearances they are succeeding, as Hamas presence outside of Rafah has dropped and Israel now appears to be mostly an occupying force dealing with urban guerilla warfare, rather than actively engaged in street-by-street conquest.  Accordingly, targeted bombings and shootings have slowed down dramatically and demolitions these days are mostly related to the destruction of tunnel networks or booby-trapped buildings.

Drone strikes and raids are what Israel used to do but the last few years have shown that this is not enough to remove Hamas.  The tunnel network is too strong.  You have to physically occupy Gaza and go building-to-building taking the weapons and destroying the tunnels.  If the tunnels are under buildings then you have no choice but to collapse those buildings.

It may not seem reasonable -- those buildings are people's homes, after all -- but it is Hamas to blame for this, not Israel.  Those buildings were marked for death the moment Hamas decided to remove the earth in their foundations and build tunnels instead.  Or the minute Hamas decided to fill the corridors with explosives.  Hamas fans were very proud a couple weeks ago when the IDF stormed a building that was lined with explosives and Hamas ignited the building, destroying it and killing 24 Jewish soldiers.  Israel should have just done an airstrike on that building.  But then people would post a video of it and say "look what Israel is doing to our homes.  This isn't about eliminating Hamas this is about revenge."  Hamas got 15 Israeli soldiers in Khan Younis just yesterday. 

Blaming Hamas for the deaths of Palestinians is perilously close to victim blaming.

This might just be the dumbest post in this thread, which is no small feat

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Can the pro-Palestine people please explain to me why Hamas should face no consequences for their actions?

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Can the pro-Palestine people please explain to me why Hamas should face no consequences for their actions?

Here's a productive, reasonable consequence that would have generated no literal or diplomatic collateral damage: assassinating the leadership of Hamas, nearly all of whom are not in Gaza.

Why didn’t the US just assassinate Hirohito instead of going to war with Japan and causing over a hundred thousand civilian casualties?

Why didn’t the Allies just assassinate Hitler and Nazi leadership instead of participating in a world war that caused millions of deaths?

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Can the pro-Palestine people please explain to me why Hamas should face no consequences for their actions?

Here's a productive, reasonable consequence that would have generated no literal or diplomatic collateral damage: assassinating the leadership of Hamas, nearly all of whom are not in Gaza.

Why didn’t the US just assassinate Hirohito instead of going to war with Japan and causing over a hundred thousand civilian casualties?

Why didn’t the Allies just assassinate Hitler and Nazi leadership instead of participating in a world war that caused millions of deaths?

You're creating a strawman to argue against. As usual.

How is it a strawman? Can you prove that Israel is easily capable of assassinating Hamas leadership but is just choosing not to?

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https://twitter.com/_ZachFoster/status/1753050356106330471

Cool, and a majority of Palestinians supported 10/7