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Question: Did progressives handle the Lia Thomas incident well, and were they in the right?
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Yes, progressives were right, and they handled it well
 
#2
Yes, progressives were right, but they didn’t handle it well
 
#3
No, progressives were wrong, but they handled it well
 
#4
No, progressives were wrong, and they didn’t handle it well
 
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Total Voters: 36

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« on: June 11, 2023, 10:41:04 AM »

Anyone who’s seen my posts on the issue knows that I wasn’t supportive of Lia Thomas being able to compete in the female division because her going through male puberty put her at a massive biological advantage, and I don’t think that making Lia Thomas feel better about herself is more important than ensuring fairness for the rest of the women competing. Not only do I think that progressives were in the wrong on this issue, I also think that they handled it so poorly that it caused a lot of damage to the movement and made the nation shift to the right on trans issues. It was a real “the emperor has no clothes” moment, and it may have honestly caused irreversible damage to the trans rights movement. Progressives hardly even tried to address people’s concerns about the fairness of Thomas competing. They either just handwaved it away or insinuated that only bigots would have an issue with Thomas competing.
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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2023, 03:27:55 PM »

To answer your question, whether or not Thomas may have had a biological advantage is irrelevant for a number of reasons, least of all that gifted athletes will naturally possess a biological advantage over most other people.

There's a cisgender female South African runner who produces more testosterone naturally than has been deemed typical of other cisgender women. Should she be forced to compete on the men's team?

Not only do I think that progressives were in the wrong on this issue, I also think that they handled it so poorly that it caused a lot of damage to the movement and made the nation shift to the right on trans issues. It was a real “the emperor has no clothes” moment, and it may have honestly caused irreversible damage to the trans rights movement.

This isn't specific to transgender issues, but I really dislike the whole reactionary "look what you made me do" framing of their arguments.
Would you support abolishing male and female divisions altogether and just have everyone compete in the same division regardless of sex?
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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2023, 01:39:00 PM »

I’m curious to know who are the 2 people who voted for option three and why
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