HAEV Official Thread

[Peter]

Due to the difficulty of navigating the other thread in terms of official business, I am transferring all official business to this thread.

All discussion should be contained in the old thread, which I have renamed to the HAEV Discussion Thread.

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Members
Peter, Presiding Officer
Barnes
Meeker

[Peter]

Note for nominators - including links to the profile of the poster you are nominating is really useful.

Considered Business
Vepres Nominations
Antonio Nominations
Lahbas
Summarily dismissed, 2-0
px75
Kept 1-2
Ajc0918
Summarily dismissed, 2-0
Marokai Blue
Summarily dismissed, 3-0
Antonio V
Summarily dismissed, 3-0
Sirnick
Kept 0-3
Winfield
Kept 0-3
Azmagic
Kept 0-3
Elvis Republican
Deleted 3-0
Yoman82
Deleted 3-0
italianboy
Kept 2-1
change08
Kept 0-3
KyleGordon
Deleted 3-0
Mart
Deleted 3-0
Olawakandi
Kept 0-3
Vane
Deleted 3-0
Smash255
Summarily dismissed, 3-0
Culture King
Summarily dismissed, 2-1
Realisticidealist
Summarily dismissed, 3-0
Paul718
Kept 0-3
Auburntiger
Kept 0-3
Jamespol
Kept 0-3
Sensei
Kept 0-3
Ogre Mage
Kept 2-1
Nclib
Kept 0-3
Boris78
Kept 0-3
Biggzcorey
Deleted 3-0
Eraserhead
Kept 0-3
Dubya2004
Kept 1-2

Under Consideration
Al's nominations
Segwaystyle (Peter)
Winston Disraeli Nominations
Cosmo Kramer (Meeker)
BRTD (Meeker)
Rob (Meeker)
Jfern (Meeker)
Mark Warner 08 (Meeker)
Snowguy716 (bullmoose)
Flyers2004 (bullmoose)
SegwayStyle Nominations
downwithdaleft (bullmoose)
Gustaf (bullmoose)
Defe07 (Peter)
General Mung Beans (Peter)
Apollo (Peter)
floridarepub (Peter)
Lunar's Nominations
Lunar (i.e. self nomination) (Peter)

Pending Consideration
Nil

[Peter]

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[Peter]

Consideration of px75

px75
No posts since January 3, however, was logged in as recently as yesterday.
60 posts between 22 Dec and 3 Jan. Haven't checked on Atlasia activity, but haven't seen anything in my cursory glance. No significant contribution to Atlasia. No notice of reasons for absence, or other circumstances known.
Any corrections, please post.

I haven't noticed any considerations

Motions for Summary Dismissal
Antonio has asked that his case be summarily dismissed.
I shall also motion that Marokai Blue's case be summarily dismissed.

Vote on such motions is now open.

Pending Business
Not having masses of time I'm going to delegate the production of reports on each voter:
I will take:
Sirnick
Winfield
Azmagic

Barnes, can you take:
Paul718
Auburntiger
Jamespol

Meeker, can you take:
Ajc0918
Elvis Republican
Yoman82

Once we've done those, I'll try to divy out other nominations as well.

[Peter]

Aye to summary dismissal of both Marokai Blue and Antonio V.

Nay to deletion of px75. Recent login activity makes me wary of deleting him, and he has a history of long term contribution to the Forum, and no suggestion of directed voting. He exceeds the 25 posts in the last two months requirement.

[Peter]

ajc0918
243 posts in the past two months. Only post in Atlasia was to vote in the January Mideast election. No known contributions to Atlasia.

Motion to dismiss. Nominee is clearly active in the Atlas and thinks for himself.

Motion recognised and vote opened.

I am content to vote Aye.

[Peter]

Although I don't mean to interrupt your deliberations, considering how close we are to an election, I might suggest that the body make all the deletions of considered persons right after the election is held.

The practical reason for this is twofold:

1) I suspect that some of these voters are going to appeal their cases (or at least be notified by certain people to appeal their cases) and their legal status will be placed in flux while the Court decides their matter.  Because this is a new statute and I suspect it's going to take longer for us to handle this in the beginning, I don't want to have another election mess pop up that I can see in advance.

2) Considering the great number of nominations so far, I suspect that if anyone is removed prior to the election, we're going to get more uproar than just simple discussion thread nonsense.

Just my two cents...

CJ Sam Spade

Thank you for your thoughts Sam. I do take your points on board, however, I do feel that if the HAEV is going to continue, there will always be some nomination that ends up being considered after an election, whilst others before an election. This means that we will always have the potential for allegations/public protestations/etc.

I do appreciate that this may be a special circumstance since I doubt we will have this long queue in future elections. I would like to hear Barnes' thoughts on this matter as well.

(Note to Badger - whilst your comments are not spam at all, I would appreciate that all non-essential posts not by HAEV members be directed to the Discussion Thread to help keep this thread as uncluttered as possible)

[Peter]

Sirnick
60 posts back to 26 January. Posts seem intelligent. No noticeable Atlasia activity.

Azmagic
60 posts back to 17 January, with a couple in Atlasia in that period - including the HAEV discussion thread!!

Winfield
60 posts back to 24 January. Intelligent posts. No noticeable Atlasia activity.

[Peter]

I'm going to delay holding any vote on nominations until the day on which the election is certified. I will of course continue to entertain any summary dismissal motions.

Still waiting on Barnes to finish his 3 ....

I'll  begin assigning the Disraeli nominations:
For myself:
italianboy
change08
KyleGordon
Mart
Olawakandi
+ an additional nomination - Vane
I will also be contacting Segwaystyle about his proxy activity, and sharing it with the committee, though I may not make the entirity public.

For Meeker
Sensei
Smash255
Ogre Mage
Culture King
Realisticidealist

[Peter]

All commentary should be directed to the Discussion Thread

[Peter]

Sensei
Smash255
Ogre Mage
Culture King
Realisticidealist

Meeker has motioned to dismiss these nominations - given that he has given me no report on them, I will have to trawl them individually or simply force their consideration by voting against dismissal.

The process of appointments is for one of the committee to be replaced every 2 months. As Presiding Officer, I am of the opinion that we can take Barnes' resignation to create a "regular vacancy" since we are just under 2 months from the committee's confirmation, and for whoever fills the vacancy to have a full 6 months term. If Meeker and I are still here in another 2 months, we can argue about who is up for replacement.f

All of Barnes' nominees are transferred to his successor upon confirmation.

[Peter]

I will be away from tomorrow morning (15 Feb) to Friday (19 Feb) on holiday in Morocco - probably won't post until next Saturday, which is opportune given the vacancy.

[Peter]

italianboy
25 posts in the whole forum takes us back to 19 September 2009.
6 of these are votes, and the only other Atlasia activity was to tell us that he had been contacted to vote.
A candidate that I wholeheartedly recommend is reviewed by the full committee.

change08
60 posts takes us back to 11 February, though quite a few post padders in there. Active on US presidential, congressional and international boards.

KyleGordon
25 genuine posts takes us back to 19 December 2009, with lots of low worders, and quoting. I didn't count just maps as genuine posts, though the rules aren't clear on this. No noticed Atlasia activity in that time. His last Atlasia contribution was on 23 October 2009, which was a federal vote. He ran for Mideast Assembly in September 2009, but didn't even vote for himself as far as I can tell, and if memory serves, I don't think he got any votes from anybody.

Mart
25 genuine posts takes us back to 4 September 2009. Some voting and participation in the Progressive Caucus in this time, but nothing within last two months. No significant Atlasia contribution, though his McCain timeline thing was a nice read.

Olawakandi
60 posts back to 26 January. Nothing Atlasia related that I noticed. No significant contribution.

Vane
Posting through dodgy proxies (please see here) without good explaination, and now appears to have left the site - stated he would not post on 8 February and has not logged in since.
Whilst he meets neither of the activity requirement criteria, I am inclined that the rules can be waived in this instance. If he is genuine and sorts out his problems, he can still re-register in the future.

[Peter]

I'm well aware that we are doing nothing at the moment, but we have a significant queue of cases that need to come to a vote, and for that we need 3 members.

[Peter]

In an attempt to make some sense of this for committee members I have updated Reply #1 of Page 1 of the thread with the nominations presently under consideration and the Committee member who was assigned to compile a brief report on the voter. Bullmoose - could you have a look at the 3 who were assigned to Barnes a while ago? Meeker - you still need to have a look at those 5 who you were given. I still need to have a look at Segway some more.

Find below all the reports that we have outstanding that need to go to a vote. I'll give up to 48 hours for the reports that have been completed, and then we'll proceed to a vote on them. Any updates on posters given the age of reports would be in order.

I intend to clear the backlog before dishing out the other nominations in the queue.

Committee members will be informed of this post by PM.

Elvis Republican
Last logged in two weeks ago and posted during said login. 31 posts in the past two months, only one in Atlasia was a vote in the December Mid-Term elections. No known contributions to Atlasia. No known reason for absence.

I recommend a vote on the nominee.

yoman82
Logged in as recently as today but hasn't posted in a week and a half. Six posts in the past two months, all within the "Elections What-ifs?" board except for a vote in the December Mid-Term elections. My impression is that he visits the site primarily to check out the timelines and what-if scenarios. No known contributions to Atlasia.

I recommend a vote on the nominee.

Sirnick
60 posts back to 26 January. Posts seem intelligent. No noticeable Atlasia activity.

Azmagic
60 posts back to 17 January, with a couple in Atlasia in that period - including the HAEV discussion thread!!

Winfield
60 posts back to 24 January. Intelligent posts. No noticeable Atlasia activity.

italianboy
25 posts in the whole forum takes us back to 19 September 2009.
6 of these are votes, and the only other Atlasia activity was to tell us that he had been contacted to vote.
A candidate that I wholeheartedly recommend is reviewed by the full committee.

change08
60 posts takes us back to 11 February, though quite a few post padders in there. Active on US presidential, congressional and international boards.

KyleGordon
25 genuine posts takes us back to 19 December 2009, with lots of low worders, and quoting. I didn't count just maps as genuine posts, though the rules aren't clear on this. No noticed Atlasia activity in that time. His last Atlasia contribution was on 23 October 2009, which was a federal vote. He ran for Mideast Assembly in September 2009, but didn't even vote for himself as far as I can tell, and if memory serves, I don't think he got any votes from anybody.

Mart
25 genuine posts takes us back to 4 September 2009. Some voting and participation in the Progressive Caucus in this time, but nothing within last two months. No significant Atlasia contribution, though his McCain timeline thing was a nice read.

Olawakandi
60 posts back to 26 January. Nothing Atlasia related that I noticed. No significant contribution.

Vane
Posting through dodgy proxies (please see here) without good explaination, and now appears to have left the site - stated he would not post on 8 February and has not logged in since.
Whilst he meets neither of the activity requirement criteria, I am inclined that the rules can be waived in this instance. If he is genuine and sorts out his problems, he can still re-register in the future.

Sensei
Smash255
Ogre Mage
Culture King
Realisticidealist

Meeker has motioned to dismiss these nominations - given that he has given me no report on them, I will have to trawl them individually or simply force their consideration by voting against dismissal.

[Peter]

Its been more than 48 hours. I have added additional comments where appropriate for all of the reported nominees.

Elvis Republican
Last logged in two weeks ago and posted during said login. 31 posts in the past two months, only one in Atlasia was a vote in the December Mid-Term elections. No known contributions to Atlasia. No known reason for absence.

I recommend a vote on the nominee.

Has logged in today and posted a week ago (a vote in the RPP convention). A mere 7 posts in the last 2 months.

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Now at 7 posts in the past 2 months.

Sirnick
60 posts back to 26 January4 March. Posts seem intelligent. No noticeable Atlasia activity.

Azmagic
60 posts back to 17 January22 February, with a couple in Atlasia in that period - including the HAEV discussion thread!!

Winfield
60 posts back to 24 January17 February. Intelligent posts. No noticeable Atlasia activity.

italianboy
25 posts in the whole forum takes us back to 19 September1 November 2009.
63 of these are votes, and the only other Atlasia activity was to tell us that he had been contacted to vote.
A candidate that I wholeheartedly recommend is reviewed by the full committee.

change08
60 posts takes us back to 11 February1 March, though quite a few post padders in there. Active on US presidential, congressional and international boards.

KyleGordon
25 genuine posts takes us back to 19 December 20091 January 2010, with lots of low worders, and quoting. I didn't count just maps as genuine posts, though the rules aren't clear on this. No noticed Atlasia activity in that time. His last Atlasia contribution was on 23 October 2009, which was a federal vote. He ran for Mideast Assembly in September 2009, but didn't even vote for himself as far as I can tell, and if memory serves, I don't think he got any votes from anybody.

Mart
25 genuine posts takes us back to 4 September 2009. Some voting and participation in the Progressive Caucus in this time, but nothing within last two months. No significant Atlasia contribution, though his McCain timeline thing was a nice read. Only one post in the last two months - 15 January.

Olawakandi
60 posts back to 26 January18 February. Nothing Atlasia related that I noticed. No significant contribution.

Vane
Posting through dodgy proxies (please see here) without good explaination, and now appears to have left the site - stated he would not post on 8 February and has not logged in since.
Whilst he meets neither of the activity requirement criteria, I am inclined that the rules can be waived in this instance. If he is genuine and sorts out his problems, he can still re-register in the future.

The vote on the above 11 nominees is opened. I would appreciate if Committee Members voted in the same format as I am about to.

[Peter]

Vote is on whether to delete (so Aye means delete, No means keep)

Elvis Republican - Aye
Yoman82 - Aye
Sirnick - No
Azmagic - No
Winfield - No
Italianboy - Aye
change08 - No
KyleGordon - Aye
Mart - Aye
Olawakandi - No
Vane - Aye

[Peter]

The following voters are deleted by a unanimous vote of the HAEV:

Elvis Republican
Yoman82
KyleGordon
Mart
Vane

The following voters are retained by a unanimous vote of the HAEV

Sirnick
Azmagic
Winfield
change08
Olawakandi

The following voter is retained after a divided panel of the HAEV

Italianboy (2-1 in favour of deletion)

[Peter]

In an attempt to make some sense of this for committee members I have updated Reply #1 of Page 1 of the thread with the nominations presently under consideration and the Committee member who was assigned to compile a brief report on the voter. Bullmoose - could you have a look at the 3 who were assigned to Barnes a while ago? Meeker - you still need to have a look at those 5 who you were given. I still need to have a look at Segway some more.

Reminder to committee members of the above - I'm not sure what to do with Segway's nomination. By his own admission he posts from a proxy, but that does not directly imply he is necessarily a sock account.

I have updated Reply #1 again and hereby assign myself the following:
Nclib
Boris78
Biggzcorey
Eraserhead
Dubya2004

[Peter]

Nclib
60 posts takes us back to 16 February 2010

Boris78
60 posts takes us back to 7 February 2010

Biggzcorey
Has not posted since 25 November 2009. Last Atlasia post 24 September 2009. No stated reason for absence. No significant contribution to Atlasia. Recent login on 23 February 2010.

Eraserhead
60 posts takes us back to 15 March 2010 - some of this is post padding, but I think the general trend is evident.

Dubya2004, better known as Jake
Last post 9 January 2010, so no posts within 2 months. Recent login on 23 February 2010. No stated reason for absence. Has a long history in Atlasia - served as Southeast Magistrate during the Civil Unrest during the adoption of the Second Constitution in 2005 (and thus played a prominent part), was a delegate to the 2nd Constitutional Convention, and served in the Senate during 2005, 2006, and 2007 in non-continuous stints, and was SecDef at the beginning of the True Dem (2005) administration. He was also Southeast Lt Gov in 2007, and inaugural Vice Chair of the Atlasian Conservative Alliance in 2005.

[Peter]

Hi guys

For the record, I use the 60 posts standard when a poster has lots of posts within recent weeks - its just a random standard not within the regulations that I use to demonstrate that they far exceed the 25 posts in 2 months rule.

Meeker - I previously ignored your motion for summary dismissal because it smacked of trying to palm work off to other committee members - ultimately I would have had to survey all those posters myself in order to come to a decision on them, and I much prefer that the workload is shared between us all.

Meeker's motion for summary dismissal is recognised.

Please vote on whether to summarily dismiss:
(Aye dismisses the nomination, i.e. keeps the voter, No allows discussion to continue further and is not a decision on the merits - it does not delete the voter). A simple majority is required to summarily dismiss.
Sensei
Smash
Ogre Mage
Culture King
Realisticidealist

[Peter]

Sensei has a lot of post padding in his recent posting. Whilst I haven't definitively checked, I am concerned about him meeting the 25 posts in 2 months requirement. I am mindful of his long service, but I would much rather take that into account during a decision on the merits than in a summary dismissal.

Ogre Mage is plainly a nomination that needs a decision on the merits, and your choice to refer it for summary dismissal is, in my view, bizarre. He has a mere 9 posts in the last 2 months, one of which is a vote and so doesn't count. In the past year his only Atlasian activity has been to vote. If this group was set up for anything, it was to consider nominations like this.

I am content that the other three could not reasonably succeed in a decision on the merits.

Sensei - No
Smash - Aye
Ogre Mage - No
Culture King - Aye
Realisticidealist - Aye

[Peter]

Summary of votes

Sensei - Not summarily dismissed (1-2)
Smash - Summarily dismissed (3-0)
Ogre Mage - Not summarily dismissed (0-3)
Culture King - Summarily dismissed (2-1)
Realisticidealist - Summarily dismissed (3-0)
Here are the open investigations and the reports:

Paul718
60 Posts takes us back to March 14, 2010.  No significant participation in Atlasia during that time, but widespread participation elsewhere on the forum.  As he is a frequent poster on other boards, looked at a broader time period to get a better sample. Little to no participation in Atlasia in last 250 posts (Jan 2, 2010).  Recent posting activity indicates deliberate inactivity rather than zombieism.

Auburntiger
60 Posts takes us back to October 13, 2009.  2 posts in atlasia in that span, one to register and one to vote.  Decent, but not great, amount of participation on other forum boards.

Jamespol
60 Posts brings us back to October 15, 2009.  7 posts in atlasia, one of which was in the HAEV Public Thread stating that "i am active and have been voting for years."  Voting record does not tend to show a consistent zombie-style voting pattern.

Nclib
60 posts takes us back to 16 February 2010

Boris78
60 posts takes us back to 7 February 2010

Biggzcorey
Has not posted since 25 November 2009. Last Atlasia post 24 September 2009. No stated reason for absence. No significant contribution to Atlasia. Recent login on 23 February 2010.

Eraserhead
60 posts takes us back to 15 March 2010 - some of this is post padding, but I think the general trend is evident.

Dubya2004, better known as Jake
Last post 9 January 2010, so no posts within 2 months. Recent login on 23 February 2010. No stated reason for absence. Has a long history in Atlasia - served as Southeast Magistrate during the Civil Unrest during the adoption of the Second Constitution in 2005 (and thus played a prominent part), was a delegate to the 2nd Constitutional Convention, and served in the Senate during 2005, 2006, and 2007 in non-continuous stints, and was SecDef at the beginning of the True Dem (2005) administration. He was also Southeast Lt Gov in 2007, and inaugural Vice Chair of the Atlasian Conservative Alliance in 2005.

Sensei - 60 posts takes us to January 1st. Voter has served as Governor, Senator and a Presidential nominee. Joke nomination.

Ogre Mage - 60 posts takes us to November 16th. Not the most active of posters and generally sticks to Washington State-related threads or national politics-threads. Clearly thinks on his own.

Of the remaining nominations here to consider - Paul718, nclib, Boris78, and Eraserhead I think should be easily kept on the rolls - I very rarely go for summary dismissal - I have only used it once, and that was for a sitting office holder.

Auburntiger only has 13 posts in the last two months, but does have a large number just before that in January.

JamesSpol has 46 posts in the last two months. Some of them are very short posts however. I would find it hard to vote in favour of this deletion, but can be convinced.

Biggzcorey is a relatively open and shut delete for me.

Jake's a difficult one for me - no posts in two months, but a large Atlasian history to him. He ties in with Sensei quite well (and hence why I want decisions on the merits for both of them at the same time), because Sensei has recent activity, but Jake does not. Probable delete.

Sensei - Has 28 posts in the last two months (by this I mean posts that count for our purposes - fewer than 4 words and quoting/voting doesn't count). Has a vote in Atlasia in this period, but no other Atlasia activity. Probable keep.

Ogre Mage - a mere 8 posts that count in two months, and 1 vote in Atlasia. Not quite as clear cut as Biggzcorey, but still a delete.

Other committe members thoughts are welcome (as are others in the Discussion Thread - I can assure you that I do read them all)

[Peter]

If there are no comments in the next 24 hours, the vote on these nominations will open.