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« on: September 02, 2021, 03:50:00 PM »

Everyone's responses in this thread have been remarkably predictable.

I think that being "culturally" part of a religion is very alien to most people of my age or younger, with the rise of the sort of New Atheism that raised me denying the value of religious culture. Sometimes I wish that I could've inherited more of my father's Methodist trappings or my mother's Maryland Catholic culture, but they purged those characteristics in knee-jerk early adulthood and I was raised in a very intellectually and culturally lacking landscape (now that I belong to a heavily Catholic social group, however, I suppose that I have partially made up for that). It's a negative reflection on the power of mass society and new media to both create homogeneity and atomization that these cultural aspects of religion have become less salient in place of a mass-marketed youth monoculture that places people entirely in the same context yet makes it harder for them to relate within small, closely-knit groups. The effect of this order on me is much of why I've become so devoutly religious (although as a solitary, eclectic practitioner I'm a bit limited in the social aspect among coreligionists) and convinced of the superiority of smaller-scale, tribal societies.
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discovolante
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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2021, 06:21:13 PM »

Everyone's responses in this thread have been remarkably predictable.

I think that being "culturally" part of a religion is very alien to most people of my age or younger, with the rise of the sort of New Atheism that raised me denying the value of religious culture. Sometimes I wish that I could've inherited more of my father's Methodist trappings or my mother's Maryland Catholic culture, but they purged those characteristics in knee-jerk early adulthood and I was raised in a very intellectually and culturally lacking landscape (now that I belong to a heavily Catholic social group, however, I suppose that I have partially made up for that). It's a negative reflection on the power of mass society and new media to both create homogeneity and atomization that these cultural aspects of religion have become less salient in place of a mass-marketed youth monoculture that places people entirely in the same context yet makes it harder for them to relate within small, closely-knit groups. The effect of this order on me is much of why I've become so devoutly religious (although as a solitary, eclectic practitioner I'm a bit limited in the social aspect among coreligionists) and convinced of the superiority of smaller-scale, tribal societies.
I don't see that as a problem since we just get involved in different small close-knit groups that aren't based around an an incredibly patriarchal and heterosexist institution. The most obvious example for me is my music subculture. There's similar examples for many Millennials.

Most subcultures are unfortunately very "patriarchal and heterosexist", and it seems like your musical ivory tower and probably your church aren't immune either. The fundamental character of humanity doesn't change in modern social organizations; any interest group will have its share of awful people and its share of excellent people. I personally feel that other means of social organization might fix this, but of course I can't know for sure. It's pretty clear that you have far more interest in just universalizing your own principles than understanding anyone else's.
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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2021, 06:35:59 PM »

Everyone's responses in this thread have been remarkably predictable.

I think that being "culturally" part of a religion is very alien to most people of my age or younger, with the rise of the sort of New Atheism that raised me denying the value of religious culture. Sometimes I wish that I could've inherited more of my father's Methodist trappings or my mother's Maryland Catholic culture, but they purged those characteristics in knee-jerk early adulthood and I was raised in a very intellectually and culturally lacking landscape (now that I belong to a heavily Catholic social group, however, I suppose that I have partially made up for that). It's a negative reflection on the power of mass society and new media to both create homogeneity and atomization that these cultural aspects of religion have become less salient in place of a mass-marketed youth monoculture that places people entirely in the same context yet makes it harder for them to relate within small, closely-knit groups. The effect of this order on me is much of why I've become so devoutly religious (although as a solitary, eclectic practitioner I'm a bit limited in the social aspect among coreligionists) and convinced of the superiority of smaller-scale, tribal societies.
I don't see that as a problem since we just get involved in different small close-knit groups that aren't based around an an incredibly patriarchal and heterosexist institution. The most obvious example for me is my music subculture. There's similar examples for many Millennials.

Most subcultures are unfortunately very "patriarchal and heterosexist", and it seems like your musical ivory tower and probably your church aren't immune either. The fundamental character of humanity doesn't change in modern social organizations; any interest group will have its share of awful people and its share of excellent people. I personally feel that other means of social organization might fix this, but of course I can't know for sure. It's pretty clear that you have far more interest in just universalizing your own principles than understanding anyone else's.
Something that spawned riot grrl and a church that has had multiple female pastors and a female majority on its governing board obviously isn't on the level of an institution that effectively bans women from any leadership roles.

Riot grrrl happened because women felt under-represented and discriminated against in the punk scene, not supported by it, you dolt.
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