Israeli Airstrikes on Gaza

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The IDF are the real terrorists.

Both teh IDF and Hamas kill civilians.  The IDF targest Hamas and because of where Hamas operate from, they often kill nearby civilians.  Hamas on the other hand target civilians.

Who are the "real" terrorists?

If we're throwing around that nice buzzword "terrorist", then both fit the description. I don't exactly see how bombing a university counts as an act of "self defense".

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All accidents as well.  If those bastards in Hamas hadn't started this stupidity those civilians would still be alive.

Yeah, it's always hamas. Israel is innocent in this.

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All accidents as well.  If those bastards in Hamas hadn't started this stupidity those civilians would still be alive.

Yeah, it's always hamas. Israel is innocent in this.

I'm glad you see it our way, Earth.

I hope that's sarcasm.

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And in the end Israel killed 100x as many people as Hamas did during this time. Now that's certainly a proportional response!

By that logic, the invasion of Afghanistan was a grossly disproportionate response to the 9/11 attacks. Do you oppose it? Also, the Pacific War against Japan was an extremely "disproportionate" response to Pearl Harbor. Again, do you think it was wrong?

I don't quite understand the need to use "proportionality" as a response, unless we're specifically framing this conflict with the propagandized idea of "self defense" in mind.

To answer your questions above, Dirty South, (although it wasn't directed at me, eh, what the hell) I say yes.

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A few interesting articles:

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/21/gaza-phosphorus-shells

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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1057485.html