Political correctness

[dazzleman]

Very negative.

[dazzleman]

Negative -and I expect the responses will be roughly on a 9:1 ratio. 

Then why are we still stuck with it?  Why do people tolerate something they hate so much in a democracy?

[dazzleman]

Negative, but to be honest, I don't see much of it

...that's because you don't work.  If you worked, you'd see plenty of it.  Work environments are where political correctness is most oppressive.

[dazzleman]

Negative, but to be honest, I don't see much of it

...that's because you don't work.  If you worked, you'd see plenty of it.  Work environments are where political correctness is most oppressive.

Okay, but it has nothing to do with democracy then, so I don't know why you brought it up.

Any interesting examples?

It's related to democracy in the sense that interest groups have used a dysfunctional legal system to impose, through the threat of ruinous lawsuits, that which would be rejected by the public.

As far as interesting examples, here are some:

1. Men can't have any posters of women up in their cubicles or offices, but nobody says anything to women who have 'beefcake' posters in their offices or cubicles.

2. Men must follow a strict dress code, but women can seemingly wear whatever they want.

3. If a woman makes up sexual harassment claims, there is no penalty allowed against the woman.  However, if the company believes them to be true, the man is fired.  So there's really no official downside to making false accusations.

I could go on, but I'm getting ready for bed.  The whole sexual harassment thing has become a major scam that allows men and companies to be blackmailed by disgruntled female employees who have not actually been harassed.

[dazzleman]

1. Men can't have any posters of women up in their cubicles or offices, but nobody says anything to women who have 'beefcake' posters in their offices or cubicles.

2. Men must follow a strict dress code, but women can seemingly wear whatever they want.

3. If a woman makes up sexual harassment claims, there is no penalty allowed against the woman.  However, if the company believes them to be true, the man is fired.  So there's really no official downside to making false accusations.

That really does not sound like a big deal to me. It's the kind of thing I would probably joke about.

....unless you were falsely charged with sexual harassment, and faced the loss of your career over lies.

Where I work is not among the worst places in terms of political correctness.  They are only as politically correct as they have to be in order to avoid or minimize lawsuits, so their heart isn't in it.  Other places, such as universities, are much worse.  If you don't see this as a problem, you really don't get what I'm trying to tell you.

[dazzleman]

Have you ever been fired over lies?

Have I?  No, but I narrowly prevented it from happening to other people.  It could have gone either way, and the person making the false accusations was not fired even after it was clear she was lying.  There needs to be a certain symmetry in these matters -- it's totally wrong to be able to make accusations, and face no consequences if they are false.

[dazzleman]

"Political correctness" is a slur created by people who don't like the idea of being polite towards minority groups.

I disagree.  I think it's harmful toward minority groups in the long run, because it prevents an honest discussion of the problems that plague them.

Political correctness is really more of an effort to force people to deny reality in favor of a very dubious political agenda than it is to spare the feelings of minority groups.

In any case, those who push political correctness say only  the most vile things about white males, Christians, etc.  It's very hard to take them seriously when they are so hypocritical and have such a double standard.

[dazzleman]

That's not what my concern is, but frankly, I wouldn't waste my time explaining it it you, as it is beyond your comprehension.