What did your mom do while you grew up?

[dazzleman]

MissCatholic, I think relationship abuse is a two way street.  Yes, I think there are a lot of domineering prick men who need to grow up, but there are women who treat their men like sh**t as well.  There are women who sit on their asses and expect men to provide for them and pamper them while they watch soaps all day.  Trust me, I have met a lot of sh**t women in the dating world.  Granted, I find women easier than men when it comes to weight, etc., but horrible on other things such as whether a guy lives with his parents, has a nice car, good job, etc.  

Don't take this as anti-feminist, but realize there are assholes all around.  

Flyers, you're completely right.  But somehow, I don't see "Miss"Catholic being swayed by logic.  "She" is just looking to spew out her usual nonsense with her usual 3rd grade reasoning ability.

And why would it be "anti-feminist" to say that not all men are assholes, and all women perfect?  Actually, now that I think of it, that is the feminist philosophy in a nutshell, so I guess to deny it really is anti-feminist.   I guess I can't see why you'd see anything wrong with being anti-feminist when that is how feminism is defined.

[dazzleman]

How would someone whose mother didn't work and had a housekeeper answer?

My mom did not work outside the home, and she did clean the house, though we had a housekeeper once a week for most of the time I was growing up.

[dazzleman]

I listen to reason and follow it surprise surprise!  Feminism is a tough issue for me to grapple with and it goes way beyond the pro-choice arguments.  I don't hate women, but I'm finding a lot of assholes out there in the dating scene.  "She" makes it seem like men are all domineering asses that like to use women and force them to be barefoot and in the kitchen, which is quite far from the truth with me.  Hell, I wouldn't mind a nice sugar mama that made more than me!

What you need to realize Flyers is that you won't forestall the contempt of rabid feminist women by agreeing with them on their issues.  That only makes them more contemptuous.  Real feminists who hold the views are represented by "Miss"Catholic don't like men.  Period.  If you have a c&^k and b&^ls, you're evil, so there's no point in trying to please these types of people.

We should all believe what we think is right.  I believe in equality for women, but I would never accept the label of feminist.

[dazzleman]

Work (normal)

My parents shared the house work like any family should. When I was young I thought vacuuming and cooking was a man's job

So much for the idea of "choice."  Feminist supporters only support choice when you make the choices they think you should make.  Typical.

[dazzleman]

Work (normal)

My parents shared the house work like any family should. When I was young I thought vacuuming and cooking was a man's job

So much for the idea of "choice."  Feminist supporters only support choice when you make the choices they think you should make.  Typical.

Huh? Don't be an idiot. Much of what feminists believe is about the rights of the homemakers. Please don't try and pretend you know what feminism is, because you don't.

But, from my opinion, I value hard work for the family, and work work for society, and I feel that both parents should contribute to society and the family. Fathers all to often miss out on their role in the family, and mothers miss out on their role in society.

You're the one who knows nothing about what feminists support.

I definitely caught the snide implication in your "work (normal)" statement.  I understand that the implication is that the situation is not "normal" if the woman doesn't work outside the home.  In this, you simply echo the disrespect and contempt that feminists have for homemakers.  Feminists don't give two s&%ts about the rights of homemakers, and obviously neither do you, so don't tell me that feminism is about the rights of homemakers.

Your comment in this very thread also suggests further denigration of homemakers, when you say that both parents should "contribute to society."  Obviously, you don't think that homemakers contribute to society, when in fact some are making a much better contribution than they would if they were "working."  What business is it of yours how families divide up the responsibilities of earning a living and running the household?

You have proven my original point to the nth degree with this post.  You have said that YOU feel that both parents should work, and both parents should share household responsibilities.  That is none of your f&$king business, and none of the business of those wretched feminists, how families choose to function.  It proves what I said initially about feminists and "choice" and "rights:"  that those two words are merely a smokescreen for the coercive and dictatorial ideas that they seek to impose.  Feminists support "choice" as long as a woman and her family make the "choices" that feminists deem appropriate, and you have bought into that philosophy hook, line and sinker, my friend.  If they don't, then they are to be vilified.  Thanks for proving me right.

[dazzleman]

My dad.

Perfect answer, buddy.