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dazzleman
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« on: February 10, 2005, 01:48:50 PM »

The Christian cross it the hope of life after death for billions of non-atheists.

myself included.

The hammer and sickle is the wet dream of a kid in Minnesota who dreams of sticking it to dark skinned communist guerillas.

actually it represents a lot more than my sexual fantasies.

So is it fair to say that you are a Christian communist?
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dazzleman
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« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2005, 01:56:04 PM »

I'm not really a communist, but if you want to say so, go ahead. I guess many would say it's an oxymoron, but I hear there's a lot in Italy.

Then why your reverence for the hammer and sickle?  What great hopes and dreams does that symbol hold for you?  To mean, it means mass murder, military aggression, gulags and complete economic dysfunction.  I can't see anything positive about it.
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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2005, 02:04:40 PM »

I'm not really a communist, but if you want to say so, go ahead. I guess many would say it's an oxymoron, but I hear there's a lot in Italy.

Then why your reverence for the hammer and sickle?  What great hopes and dreams does that symbol hold for you?  To mean, it means mass murder, military aggression, gulags and complete economic dysfunction.  I can't see anything positive about it.
Everyone is EQUAL.  Everyone has equal misery and can die in equalness.

The part about everybody being equal is not true either.  Communism simply uses a different, and far less efficient, means than capitalism to distribute wealth.

Leonid Brezhnev had a vacation home that would make Donald Trump blush.  In communism, political power, and obsequience to those with that power, determines level of wealth.  After Leonid Brezhnev's mother saw his "cottage" at Zhavidovo, she supposedly said, "Leonid, what will you do if the communists come back to power?"

Communism can't work.  Wherever it has been tried, it has simply been a convenient excuse to impose wretched poverty on the masses while repressing them, torturing and killing some, and initiating military aggression.  No good ever came out of communism.
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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2005, 03:17:24 AM »



Then why your reverence for the hammer and sickle? What great hopes and dreams does that symbol hold for you? To mean, it means mass murder, military aggression, gulags and complete economic dysfunction. I can't see anything positive about it.

The liberation of workes from capitalist oppression. The equality of all human people. Those are the ideals it means to me that many who have flown it did not intend to implement.


You live in a dream world.  I really think you need to grow up and face reality.

First off, what you are calling "oppression of the worker" is really just the requirement that a person earn his/her wages.  I believe that workers should be treated justly and fairly, but the reality is that workers would not have a job if somebody didn't invest in the means of production that provide them that job.  To say that they are "oppressed" because they have to take orders from those who supplied the means of their employment is absurd.

It's true that some people treat workers better than others, and there are some who treat them quite poorly.  But this doesn't mean that the very need to please those who provide you with your employment is oppressive.

The equality of all human people is an impossible ideal, and communism brings us further from it, not closer to it, unless you consider shared misery as an equalizing factor.  The reality is that different people make different levels of contribution to the economy, due mainly to different levels of intelligence, skill and ambition, and their economic status reflects that.  Contrary to what you think, being poor and at the lower rungs of the economic ladder is not a virtue.  Nor is it a condemnation.  It is simply a reflection of the level of contribution as person has been able to make, or has chosen to make, to the larger economy.

To forcibly attempt to make all equal in this regard is to drag the economy down to the lowest common denominator, which means economic collapse.  It is amazing how poor some people have learned the lessons of even very recent history.

While people can never be equal economically without enforcing abject poverty on everybody, we do have to acknowledge the inequality of people before the law, and basic human rights, which should not be subject to economic status.  All societies have some issue with this, as the rich are often able to effectively "buy" things (like favorable justice, if they have committed a crime) that should not be for sale.  But to convert society into a communistic hell in a vain attempt to curb these abuses would make the cure far worse than the disease.
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