The Independent

[tmthforu94]

Would you endorse a plan to recruit new members off-site?  If so, how would you change the registration rules to keep from driving them away upon joining the site?
I believe that many Atlasians may still hold their nose to a member who was recruited just to play Atlasia. Until that changes, I wouldn’t actively support off-site recruitment.

That hasn't, however, stopped him from doing so himself in the past on multiple occasions.

The man you elected to be President appointed me to the position of off-site recruitment, and I intend to continue to fill my duties in that roll until I am told otherwise.

[tmthforu94]

While I like and respect Fritz, and his Presidency, I just wanted to note for the record I've always opposed off-site recruiting. If you are so opposed to off-site recruiting, you wouldn't have done it in the past, and you would've turned Fritz down. You're clearly not so opposed, as it's benefitted you almost every time.

I oppose off-site recruiting because members who are recruited off-site are often looked down upon, and aren't given much of a chance. If members of Atlasia as a whole began to accept off-site recruiting and had a more favorable opinion of it, I'd support it in a heart beat. This isn't about what I specifically want. It's about what I think is best for the game, and right now, I don't think off-site recruitment would be good for the game.

[tmthforu94]

While I like and respect Fritz, and his Presidency, I just wanted to note for the record I've always opposed off-site recruiting. If you are so opposed to off-site recruiting, you wouldn't have done it in the past, and you would've turned Fritz down. You're clearly not so opposed, as it's benefitted you almost every time.

I oppose off-site recruiting because members who are recruited off-site are often looked down upon, and aren't given much of a chance. If members of Atlasia as a whole began to accept off-site recruiting and had a more favorable opinion of it, I'd support it in a heart beat. This isn't about what I specifically want. It's about what I think is best for the game, and right now, I don't think off-site recruitment would be good for the game.

So you support off-site recruiting, but disagree with how those members are treated. Just say that.

The way you phrased it in your answer is the equivalent of someone saying, "Well, I oppose voting rights for women, but only because people don't think women are smart. But if everyone started liking women I would support giving them voting rights." At the end of the day, just stand up for what you think is right, rather than equivocating on your beliefs. Sure, people will disagree with you, but it's better than looking like a silly panderer.

There's no pandering being done. I think off-site recruitment could increase activity, but won't actively support it until a majority agrees, because unless people agree, those who joins won't be given a chance. 

[tmthforu94]

I guess the point I really want to make is that you can either lead by example or be led by the example of others.

If you had said you strongly believe in off-site recruitment and will work hard to convince people of its merits, I could respect that, even if I disagree. That is leading by example. That is starting a real discussion to move the ball forward. Instead, you're just saying that the status quo environment isn't good for off-site recruitment so you won't do it. If I had your attitude when Marokai and I proposed a new Constitution, it never would have gotten off the ground.

EDIT: Just as an example, you yourself came around to the idea of a Constitutional Convention only after we pressed the issue and made our case to the public. The only reason we got it done was because we engaged people in the discussion, rather than simply accepting the status quo.

How I answer one question in no way determines whether or not I'd lead by example. I believe off-site recruitment can work, and have been making that case to various Atlasians for months. When I become President, I will use that role to also help promote it, and hopefully, if enough support it, it'll occure.

And for the record, I was never against the Constitutional Convention until the very end, when was only being led by a couple people and not a lot was happening. I appreciate the great job y'all did at consolodating the amendments and making an easier to read document, as well as your great wiki edits. As President, I will build off accomplishments of previous administrations and seek to pass real game improvements, as well as actually play the game, which will hopefully stimulate activity in the game. Those details will be outlined within days.

[tmthforu94]

I tried to get off-site recruiting going, but there was so much opposition to it that I gave up on the idea.

My thoughts, exactly. I did it because I hoped it would work, but it didn't.

[tmthforu94]

I am not a fan of off site recruiting, mainly because it can quickly turn into an inactive votebank. You can argue similar conditions already exist within Atlasia, but those people are at least active on the forum. They at least have some purpose being here. Inviting people onto this website just to vote in Atlasia is not right.

Keep in mind that if you know someone who is truly interested in the game, and will be an active member, then by all means invite them. I just don't want a repeat of the time when that chick from the American Idol forum just showed up to vote.

Who, I'm almost 100% positive I recall correctly, Tmth recruited himself.

Talk about beating a dead horse...

[tmthforu94]

Simple facts like that deserve to be stated when these are the issues that are important during a Presidential campaign, Tmth.

This issue has been stated many times ever since it happened. This instance occurred when I was a brand new member to the game of Atlasia. I had no clue how things worked at the time. I don't believe any candidate should be judged on a decision they made a long time ago. If we did that, Mitch Daniels wouldn't have a prayer at the White House, and neither would other RL candidates.

Thankfully, I have learned a lot since then, and would never make such an ill-informed decision again.

(Just for clarification, though she was on an American Idol forum, she actually did know some things about politics. I only asked her to join the site because I thought she may enjoy this political forum, but after a couple months, she decided not to continue posting here.)

[tmthforu94]

Vote Tmthforu, He's Learned From His Mistakes?

Okay there, Mr. Perfect.

[tmthforu94]

I really enjoy the timeline spotlight. Us "Timeline boi's" gotta stick together.