Non-whites are trending republican. Why is this happening?

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Can you guys let go of this unsubstantiated notion that Latino voters somehow care more about immigration than white voters?

Immigration "reform" is a laughably misguided attempt to reach Latinos. "Build the wall" and "put those kids in cages" is a great way to appeal to white nationalists.

Despite Trump's rhetoric on immigration, it does seem like Republicans are trying to do better with Hispanics, as we saw in CA-25.

In the same way that John James is an attempt to do better with black voters, and Susan Collins is an attempt to do better with women voters, sure. In other words, useless.

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Yes there is no reason that I can see that the Hispanic, especially Mexican, vote would not follow the same trend as the Italians, Poles, and Irish that came before them. If anything they are assimilating faster to a country that is much more accepting of them than what past immigrants had to deal with.

So the best way for Republicans to do better with Hispanics is not through any type of policy changes but through racial whitening. Yikes.

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Hmm, seems not to have worked on me.

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Can you guys let go of this unsubstantiated notion that Latino voters somehow care more about immigration than white voters?

Immigration "reform" is a laughably misguided attempt to reach Latinos. "Build the wall" and "put those kids in cages" is a great way to appeal to white nationalists.

Despite Trump's rhetoric on immigration, it does seem like Republicans are trying to do better with Hispanics, as we saw in CA-25.

In the same way that John James is an attempt to do better with black voters, and Susan Collins is an attempt to do better with women voters, sure. In other words, useless.

Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio serve this same purpose among Hispanics.

Not really. Rubio is a fairly standard Cuban-American with a fairly standard Cuban-American story.

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Yes there is no reason that I can see that the Hispanic, especially Mexican, vote would not follow the same trend as the Italians, Poles, and Irish that came before them. If anything they are assimilating faster to a country that is much more accepting of them than what past immigrants had to deal with.

So the best way for Republicans to do better with Hispanics is not through any type of policy changes but through racial whitening. Yikes.

Racial whitening? Do you believe that Latinos because of their mildly darker skin color have an inherent culture that can’t be assimilated? Assimilation has nothing to do with being white. You think we should have a society in which made up racial groups live separately forever? Should we still have German and polish and Irish identity blocks too?

What are you talking about? If anything Hispanic culture will be (if not already) assimilated into  American culture similar to how Black culture has been intertwined into our culture.

If by "intertwined", you mean "largely disregarded and relegated to permanent minority status" then maybe you have a point.

Yes there is no reason that I can see that the Hispanic, especially Mexican, vote would not follow the same trend as the Italians, Poles, and Irish that came before them. If anything they are assimilating faster to a country that is much more accepting of them than what past immigrants had to deal with.

So the best way for Republicans to do better with Hispanics is not through any type of policy changes but through racial whitening. Yikes.

Racial whitening? Do you believe that Latinos because of their mildly darker skin color have an inherent culture that can’t be assimilated? Assimilation has nothing to do with being white. You think we should have a society in which made up racial groups live separately forever? Should we still have German and polish and Irish identity blocks too?

Lmao, I can tell this is going to go over great. Mr. Indiana Republican, please. Please explain what you mean you say "assimilated".

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Friendly reminders that:

A: Hispanic is not a race
B: Many (most?) hispanics are white

Why wouldn't hispanics be able to assimilate?

- what we think of as “black” culture is basically Southern US Anglo culture.  

What.

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Friendly reminders that:

A: Hispanic is not a race
B: Many (most?) hispanics are white

Why wouldn't hispanics be able to assimilate?

- what we think of as “black” culture is basically Southern US Anglo culture.  

What.

Many defining features of African-American culture- AAVE speech patterns, names, soul food, overall religiosity and adherence to certain denominations of Protestant Christianity- reflect the community’s origins in the southern US. This isn’t rocket science.

In the Southern US, maybe. From Southern Anglos, abso-ing-lutely not. And pretty much any other aspect of aggregate AA culture that you left out have little or nothing to do with Southern Anglos culture.

It's not rocket science that your comment was a tone-deaf hot take.

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Friendly reminders that:

A: Hispanic is not a race
B: Many (most?) hispanics are white

Why wouldn't hispanics be able to assimilate?

- what we think of as “black” culture is basically Southern US Anglo culture.  

What.

Many defining features of African-American culture- AAVE speech patterns, names, soul food, overall religiosity and adherence to certain denominations of Protestant Christianity- reflect the community’s origins in the southern US. This isn’t rocket science.

In the Southern US, maybe. From Southern Anglos, abso-ing-lutely not. And pretty much any other aspect of aggregate AA culture that you left out have little or nothing to do with Southern Anglos culture.

It's not rocket science that your comment was a tone-deaf hot take.

I didn't mean "from southern whites"....... but that's my bad for using that wording. What I probably should've said was that "black" culture is both Anglo and derived from the Southern US.

Black culture is not Anglo and more of "Southern" culture has roots in African American culture than the other way around. I'll give you religious point, though black churches and white evangelical churches are very dissimilar. The speech patterns, names, cuisine, music and pretty much anything else is uniquely African/African American and any overlap with "Southern Anglos" is derivative of that.

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Moreover, I would categorically reject your premise that White and Black cultural identities in the South developed quasi-independently of one another (or the even more laughable idea that one is "more derivative" than the other).  The social structures, traditions and mannerisms of Southern people (both Black and White) are tied the group's development in a unique socio-physical setting rather than some sort of permanent, unequal cross-cultural exchange.  White (Black) Southern culture has not arose because it was simply borrowed from the other, but a unifying biracial Southern cultural identity exists born out of the idiosyncrasies of the place itself.

You're so right! I never considered all those black NASCAR fans and country music concertgoers. And certainly, blacks brought on ships didn't even have a culture. Stupid me. I forgot about all the white people singing slave songs.

Tex-Mex is also a Mexican adaptation of white cuisine, too, right?

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Take an anthropology class or go outside and talk to your neighbors. Even better, try both!

Enjoy!

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Latino voters DO care more about immigration than white voters.

Have you even met any Latinos?



Republicans/Republican leaners

The economy   85   
Immigration   84   
Taxes   76   
Healthcare   72   
Gun policy   68   

I would love to hear how you got this idea. Education has been the top Latino priority since, well, ever, pretty much.

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However, Black American cultural identity is something that was born out of the South and that makes it more similar to Southern White identities than other American White identities.  This isn't negated by a history of conflict

Some aspects come from the South, but not all. Some aspects have roots straight from Africa. Some practices were adopted from or influenced by Southern whites. Some cultural elements have little do with the South (these are the more common ones, in my own personal experience).

Southern Black culture is vastly distinct from overall African American culture, outside of the larger metropolitan areas, especially.

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However, Black American cultural identity is something that was born out of the South and that makes it more similar to Southern White identities than other American White identities.  This isn't negated by a history of conflict

Some aspects come from the South, but not all. Some aspects have roots straight from Africa. Some practices were adopted from or influenced by Southern whites. Some cultural elements have little do with the South (these are the more common ones, in my own personal experience).

Just out of curiosity, which are those?

Basketball and hip-hop music are the most obvious ones. You can delve further into street art, house music, Black Pantherism, the Ethiopian influences in the DC area. The list goes on and on.

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However, Black American cultural identity is something that was born out of the South and that makes it more similar to Southern White identities than other American White identities.  This isn't negated by a history of conflict

Some aspects come from the South, but not all. Some aspects have roots straight from Africa. Some practices were adopted from or influenced by Southern whites. Some cultural elements have little do with the South (these are the more common ones, in my own personal experience).

Just out of curiosity, which are those?

Basketball and hip-hop music are the most obvious ones. You can delve further into street art, house music, Black Pantherism, the Ethiopian influences in the DC area. The list goes on and on.

Basketball and hip-hop aren't really defining hallmarks of African-American culture at this point.

Hmm, I feel like if the famously targeting Disney media conglomerate utilize hip-hop and basketball but not fried chicken, grits, or church, in their Black Panther blockbuster, they must be pretty relevant.

Hip-hop has been appropriated to the point where it's become a general cosmopolitan urban thing. Outside the US, I would argue they're both seen as elements of mainstream American culture, at least among young people.

A cultural item being "appropriated" doesn't remove it from it's origins. That's absurd.

One reason I distinguish between "black" and "African-American" here is because most black people I know IRL aren't descended from former US slaves. A lot are of Caribbean or recent African origin.

I've never been close to any Caribbeans but I know a lot of African Americans and Eritrean and Ethiopian immigrants (one who even likes Trump, I don't get it).

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However, Black American cultural identity is something that was born out of the South and that makes it more similar to Southern White identities than other American White identities.  This isn't negated by a history of conflict

Some aspects come from the South, but not all. Some aspects have roots straight from Africa. Some practices were adopted from or influenced by Southern whites. Some cultural elements have little do with the South (these are the more common ones, in my own personal experience).

Just out of curiosity, which are those?

Basketball and hip-hop music are the most obvious ones. You can delve further into street art, house music, Black Pantherism, the Ethiopian influences in the DC area. The list goes on and on.

Basketball and hip-hop aren't really defining hallmarks of African-American culture at this point.

Hmm, I feel like if the famously targeting Disney media conglomerate utilize hip-hop and basketball but not fried chicken, grits, or church, in their Black Panther blockbuster, they must be pretty relevant.

Hip-hop has been appropriated to the point where it's become a general cosmopolitan urban thing. Outside the US, I would argue they're both seen as elements of mainstream American culture, at least among young people.

A cultural item being "appropriated" doesn't remove it from it's origins. That's absurd.

One reason I distinguish between "black" and "African-American" here is because most black people I know IRL aren't descended from former US slaves. A lot are of Caribbean or recent African origin.

I've never been close to any Caribbeans but I know a lot of African Americans and Eritrean and Ethiopian immigrants (one who even likes Trump, I don't get it).

Maybe not everything is about race?

I wish.