Australia General Discussion 4.0: It ain’t easy under Albanese

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People are assuming they'll be Astute class subs, which would be great news for BAE in Barrow and a feather in the cap for the government's "Global Britain" tilt to the Indo-Pacific. French foreign policy analysts are spitting feathers on Twitter.

Perfidious Albion honhonhonhonhon

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This is perhaps one of the dumbest memes I've seen on this site.

"This arrangement would witness a further dramatic loss of Australian sovereignty, as material dependency on the United States robbed Australia of any freedom or choice in any engagement Australia may deem appropriate," Keating said.

However, former Labor prime minister Kevin Rudd, who is also president of the Asia Society, cautioned the Morrison government against direct criticism of China.

"It is too overt in the way in which it uses its language on these questions," Mr Rudd told 730.

So AUKUS is a dramatic loss of Australian sovereignty, while being afraid to directly criticize China isn’t? Or is the U.S. the only country Australia isn’t allowed to cooperate with?

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This is perhaps one of the dumbest memes I've seen on this site.

"This arrangement would witness a further dramatic loss of Australian sovereignty, as material dependency on the United States robbed Australia of any freedom or choice in any engagement Australia may deem appropriate," Keating said.

However, former Labor prime minister Kevin Rudd, who is also president of the Asia Society, cautioned the Morrison government against direct criticism of China.

"It is too overt in the way in which it uses its language on these questions," Mr Rudd told 730.

So AUKUS is a dramatic loss of Australian sovereignty, while being afraid to directly criticize China isn’t? Or is the U.S. the only country Australia isn’t allowed to cooperate with?

Grow a brain and realise what the actual reason for it is.

Morrison is leading a government ridden by scandal after scandal despite Murdoch covering his back 24/7 and knows he can't win the next election. The only way he can win is by yelling the words "Labor" and "China" in the same sentence as many times as he can.

That's literally it.

It doesn’t take a brain to consider that both possibilities are accurate: it is both a brilliant strategic move and a Coalition electoral ploy.

At the same time, the positions of the two former Labor PM’s and the Greens seem dodgy. I’m certain opposing the Americans and supporting the Chinese will be the electoral magic needed to finally dislodge the Coalition (long overdue) oh wait no it seems like the opposite of that

[WMS]

This is perhaps one of the dumbest memes I've seen on this site.

"This arrangement would witness a further dramatic loss of Australian sovereignty, as material dependency on the United States robbed Australia of any freedom or choice in any engagement Australia may deem appropriate," Keating said.

However, former Labor prime minister Kevin Rudd, who is also president of the Asia Society, cautioned the Morrison government against direct criticism of China.

"It is too overt in the way in which it uses its language on these questions," Mr Rudd told 730.

So AUKUS is a dramatic loss of Australian sovereignty, while being afraid to directly criticize China isn’t? Or is the U.S. the only country Australia isn’t allowed to cooperate with?

Grow a brain and realise what the actual reason for it is.

Morrison is leading a government ridden by scandal after scandal despite Murdoch covering his back 24/7 and knows he can't win the next election. The only way he can win is by yelling the words "Labor" and "China" in the same sentence as many times as he can.

That's literally it.

It doesn’t take a brain to consider that both possibilities are accurate: it is both a brilliant strategic move and a Coalition electoral ploy.

At the same time, the positions of the two former Labor PM’s and the Greens seem dodgy. I’m certain opposing the Americans and supporting the Chinese will be the electoral magic needed to finally dislodge the Coalition (long overdue) oh wait no it seems like the opposite of that

From what I've read, this seems like a bit of a dishonest take on Keating, the gist of his argument is basically that Australia would be dragged into war with China if the US and China ever had a war. As Australia is its own country and not a US puppet or something like that, it does make sense that they might not want to be dragged into possibly unwinnable wars. On the topic of winning the election, a new Newspoll came out today showing Labor leading by 6, and Labor hasn't trailed in the 2 Party Vote in a poll since January. Of course, the election is still a ways away, but as of right now, Labor is in the lead, for however much that's worth. Also Australia's relations with China really aren't anywhere near as hostile as Chinese and US relations, and again it's not like Keating is even being explicitly pro-China.

Now this is a respectable take that doesn’t begin by accusing me of being brainless! I would say that the news reports I’ve read on this decision have mentioned that China’s much more aggressive foreign policy under Xi as being a big reason for Australia agreeing to this pact. In 2016 I could see that being a stronger stance to take, but not as much today.

[WMS]

This is perhaps one of the dumbest memes I've seen on this site.

"This arrangement would witness a further dramatic loss of Australian sovereignty, as material dependency on the United States robbed Australia of any freedom or choice in any engagement Australia may deem appropriate," Keating said.

However, former Labor prime minister Kevin Rudd, who is also president of the Asia Society, cautioned the Morrison government against direct criticism of China.

"It is too overt in the way in which it uses its language on these questions," Mr Rudd told 730.

So AUKUS is a dramatic loss of Australian sovereignty, while being afraid to directly criticize China isn’t? Or is the U.S. the only country Australia isn’t allowed to cooperate with?

Grow a brain and realise what the actual reason for it is.

Morrison is leading a government ridden by scandal after scandal despite Murdoch covering his back 24/7 and knows he can't win the next election. The only way he can win is by yelling the words "Labor" and "China" in the same sentence as many times as he can.

That's literally it.

It doesn’t take a brain to consider that both possibilities are accurate: it is both a brilliant strategic move and a Coalition electoral ploy.

At the same time, the positions of the two former Labor PM’s and the Greens seem dodgy. I’m certain opposing the Americans and supporting the Chinese will be the electoral magic needed to finally dislodge the Coalition (long overdue) oh wait no it seems like the opposite of that

Okay, well again, Morrison would not have made this decision if he was behind in the polls. It's pretty blatant this was a purely political decision and nothing else.

Get out of your stupid "MURICA NUMBER ONE!!!" mindset for five seconds and realise that maybe not everyone sees you as saints.

So the highly aggressive foreign policy China has undertaken under Xi plays no role in it? Because that’s been mentioned in the news stories about this.

Hmm an insult and a false dichotomy all in one. How about you get out of your mindset that the US is wrong in everything and that China isn’t? On every objective standard except whatever the hell the far left and far right come up with the US aren’t  saints but we’re much, much, better than China. Ask a Tibetan or an Uighur about that.