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Question: Is the Uk election between Johnson/Corbyn a good barometer for Trump vs Sanders?
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Queen Isuelt
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« on: December 08, 2019, 07:07:57 PM »

Reading up and talking to folks I know and Corbyn/sanders are very similar in their political beliefs.

Momentum (labor group) are very similar to the young Turks/justice democrats where injustice, poverty, the whole system is corrupt and must be fixed with radical public investment similar to Sanders.

Johnson and Trump very similar in style lots of bluster but no details around policy. The media all think The countries will reject socialism but in 2015 the UK saw huge surges in urban areas reinforcing socialism in urban areas but a hard rejection in rural small towns.
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Queen Isuelt
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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2019, 07:22:24 PM »
« Edited: December 08, 2019, 07:28:29 PM by MissScarlett »

Don’t think so. One of those leaders will almost certainly be out of a job within a week, and their replacement will lead to a shift in the tenor of uk politics, and the Overton window moves.

By the time the DNC and RNC are held, the UK opposition will likely be led by an entirely different team, and the political environment will be in a different phase. Probably still arguing over Scotland and Brexit though.



The online progressive shows like Michael Brooks, Kyle Kulinaki David pakman are big supporters of Corbyn and say he’s similar to sanders.

Corbyn voted against the Iraq war, always spoken out on issues of poverty, union rights, Palestine rights, rebels against the party etc.

I can’t imagine anybody further to the left than Bernie Sanders.
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Queen Isuelt
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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2019, 08:58:46 PM »

So let's stop the BS that M4A and breaking the big banks will make West Virginia and Arkansas lean D.
Who actually said this?

Well a professor of politics in the uk was talking about Arkansas and West Virginia’s collapse and dramatics shift from democrats to republicans today and comparing it to what happened in labor heartlands that voted labor for over a century

So he thinks that republicans have become economically very liberal - big spending, high debt but culturally conservative. While the democrats have become economically conservative and socially liberal. So stuff on immigration - open borders, defending immigrants, human rights has been a total disaster with poor working class people who feel like they have no rights anyway and the system is rigged and life is sh**t so they vote republican in protest. Talking about guns, religion is a smokescreen for the unavoidable fact that democrats care more about immigrants who don’t live here but enter illegally compared to people born here. Interesting theory
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Queen Isuelt
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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2019, 09:02:40 PM »

So let's stop the BS that M4A and breaking the big banks will make West Virginia and Arkansas lean D.
Who actually said this?

It seems like the implication from some of the Sanders folks and Sanders himself. Like, if Manchin wont support M4A, Sanders will be able to go to West Virginia and hold a rally which will provide enough pressure for Manchin to flip. And I've seen plenty of: "Sanders won WV in a landslide during the primary, he would have carried it in the general"

Sanders would never be able to defeat joe manchin in West Virginia.
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